Message from @Firefly
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@Deleted User Yes, because we abolish authority instead of creating a new one
@Deleted User State authority I mean, as imposition of capitalism on the proletariat
I cannot continue this discussion
You just jumped off the bridge.
why?
What on earth can shake your stance on democracy? What possibly can make you wish no more of it?
@Blebleh You just said that you destroy the state structure then do nothing.
I didn't say that we wouldn't do anything
we have to replace it with a federation
confederation better
@Blebleh Whatever you do at this point is authoritarian.
@Firefly Extreme conditions of extermination, in a situation that I know that I have to give authority to someone or we'd be killed or conquered, that it would be worse; in this case
@Deleted User The people has done the revolution, now we start educating and setting the bottom-top assemblies and delegative democracy
@Blebleh Whatever structure you set up after revolution has to be authoritarian in order to prevent regression back to the old state.
@Deleted User Ah, with reactionaries; but they're the ones wanting to imposing us as I said, we're liberating ourselves
I know Engels say it's authoritarian, but I disagree; violent yes
@Blebleh So you only are about yourselves? That is not a complete strategy. Where ever capitalism exists in the world, it will try to destroy you. What will be your response?
@Deleted User Anarchists propose defending the revolution, we would do it
@Blebleh You will defend yourself? What, without a professional army or centralised command?
@Deleted User Yes there can be an army
Somebody who doesn't learn will face result of his action. Democracy is a lie. You shall face the results of this illusion.
@Blebleh Anarchists will start an army command structure and it will be libertarian! Now I have heard it all.
You will be crushed.
@Deleted User Yes, the thing is that it's conscious, the state means monopoly of violence
people has weapons; although I'd discuss that we could need a central "police", which wouldn't be libertarian
combining them
>central "police"
>anarchism
yes
That's why I said it wasn't libertarian
that we could need it
@Blebleh So you are willing to make concessions according to necessity?