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2017-05-17 23:01:46 UTC

That worker sounds like a pretty well trained wagecuck

2017-05-17 23:02:14 UTC

The perfect patsy for a land grab

2017-05-17 23:02:43 UTC

Let's hope he doesn't find god so we can trick him into taking his bosses stuff

2017-05-17 23:02:47 UTC

wagecuck? like most workers

2017-05-17 23:02:57 UTC

Yup

2017-05-17 23:03:07 UTC

>not having independent means

2017-05-17 23:03:14 UTC

W A G E C U C K

2017-05-17 23:03:21 UTC

Then?

2017-05-17 23:03:29 UTC

Do you think that all workers can have them?

2017-05-17 23:03:34 UTC

That's distributism, an utopic doctrine

2017-05-17 23:03:42 UTC

No.

2017-05-17 23:03:57 UTC

It's a sort of achievement for the exceptional

2017-05-17 23:04:21 UTC

How is exploiting being exceptional?

2017-05-17 23:04:30 UTC

capitalism is always distorted

2017-05-17 23:04:42 UTC

Many must be exploited for the exploiter to profit.

2017-05-17 23:04:47 UTC

Does this not make him exceptional?

2017-05-17 23:05:11 UTC

yes, capitalists are a minority

2017-05-17 23:05:51 UTC

No. Capitalists are anyone who believes in economic value.

2017-05-17 23:06:02 UTC

Only a capitalist accepts local currency

2017-05-17 23:06:15 UTC

The only non capitalists use other systems exclusively.

2017-05-17 23:06:17 UTC

no, capitalists are people who have other people working for them

2017-05-17 23:06:30 UTC

and they profit from them

2017-05-17 23:06:38 UTC

Anyone who buys or sells has people working for them

2017-05-17 23:07:06 UTC

We are a complicated planet wide telephathic hyper being

2017-05-17 23:07:10 UTC

if I sell my shoe to someone face to face I don't have anyone working for me

2017-05-17 23:07:36 UTC

The taxonomy is far too complex to say anyone is a non-capitalist

2017-05-17 23:07:46 UTC

Did you make shoe?

2017-05-17 23:07:56 UTC

Did you make materials to make shoe?

2017-05-17 23:07:59 UTC

Being capitalist or not doesn't depend on the belief of economic value

2017-05-17 23:08:06 UTC

It precisely does.

2017-05-17 23:08:25 UTC

I didn't make the shoe, I bought it before

2017-05-17 23:08:26 UTC

It is an indication of belief in a value system and identity as such

2017-05-17 23:08:40 UTC

So you didn't do shit

2017-05-17 23:09:03 UTC

You took something someone else did, transferred value, then transferred that object for value

2017-05-17 23:09:05 UTC

In that case I didn't have workers working for me

2017-05-17 23:09:10 UTC

I just bought a shoe with my money

2017-05-17 23:09:18 UTC

You have the manufacturer of that shoe working for you

2017-05-17 23:09:19 UTC

and then sold it

2017-05-17 23:09:57 UTC

no

2017-05-17 23:10:04 UTC

I'm putting a case in which I'm no capitalist

2017-05-17 23:10:12 UTC

I just buy from a shop and sell the shoe

2017-05-17 23:10:21 UTC

with no people working for me

2017-05-17 23:10:25 UTC

I'm just trading

2017-05-17 23:10:48 UTC

now, if I had an enterprise and I had workers doing the shoes; I'd profit and pay the workers a wage

2017-05-17 23:10:53 UTC

in that case I'd be a capitalist

2017-05-17 23:11:09 UTC

Financial capital does not depends on production anymore.

2017-05-17 23:11:09 UTC

It's too late there you're already a willing node in the capitalist system.

2017-05-17 23:11:11 UTC

A tool of it.

2017-05-17 23:11:18 UTC

GG NO RE

2017-05-17 23:11:24 UTC

Production depends on financial capital.

2017-05-17 23:11:33 UTC

no

2017-05-17 23:11:39 UTC

Marx explains capitalism

2017-05-17 23:11:46 UTC

INCORRECTLY

2017-05-17 23:11:49 UTC

I'm telling who's a capitalist

2017-05-17 23:11:50 UTC

in many cases.

2017-05-17 23:12:06 UTC

you think that it depends on belief

2017-05-17 23:12:14 UTC

I know this because marxists rarely understand economics.

2017-05-17 23:12:23 UTC

neoclassical economics?

2017-05-17 23:12:25 UTC

austrian ones?

2017-05-17 23:12:35 UTC

The tools to understand it aren't in the Marxist literary pantheon.

2017-05-17 23:12:36 UTC

they falsify marxism

2017-05-17 23:12:39 UTC

that's why you hate it

2017-05-17 23:12:44 UTC

@OF-8 Financial capital are Banks, Trade, Investment, international trade, war.

2017-05-17 23:12:48 UTC

surely you read about the subjective theory of value

2017-05-17 23:12:58 UTC

)))banks(((

2017-05-17 23:13:16 UTC

Right so then we're right back to "it's the Jews"

2017-05-17 23:14:00 UTC

@OF-8 Lenin argued that the time of Production Capital is gone. And now is the time of Financial Capital free from production or country

2017-05-17 23:14:12 UTC

instead of misinterpreting it, I'd advice you reading it or asking us

2017-05-17 23:14:21 UTC

I believed once in that like you

2017-05-17 23:14:24 UTC

Well yeah he helped bring about that system.

2017-05-17 23:14:34 UTC

because I read neoclassical economics and austrian economics but they falsify marxism

2017-05-17 23:14:46 UTC

Lmfao

2017-05-17 23:14:57 UTC

"Don't trust your lying eyes, ask a Marxist"

2017-05-17 23:15:05 UTC

๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿฝ

2017-05-17 23:15:11 UTC

@OF-8 Ask a Marxist on Marxism.

2017-05-17 23:15:22 UTC

no, read from marx directly not the enemies of marxism

2017-05-17 23:15:23 UTC

Ask a doctor on health.

2017-05-17 23:15:37 UTC

My god @Ornament you're so naive

2017-05-17 23:16:16 UTC

@OF-8 Would you ask a homeless without a profession or education on a street advise on your health?

2017-05-17 23:16:33 UTC

You know more Marxism than I do, ok. But it's not science, it's not particularly specialized.

2017-05-17 23:16:45 UTC

Like. ,... that's pretty much what I'm doing here.

2017-05-17 23:16:48 UTC

Communism is the science of the proletariat

2017-05-17 23:17:00 UTC

There are marxist economists like Cockshott

2017-05-17 23:17:00 UTC

I wanna read some lore so I'm hanging out with the larpers

2017-05-17 23:17:07 UTC

@OF-8 Yes, Marxism is a true science. Marxism is defined as materialism.

2017-05-17 23:17:17 UTC

a philosophy too

2017-05-17 23:17:19 UTC

LMFOALFMAOR HOLY SHIT REALLY nigger!?

2017-05-17 23:17:35 UTC

No. Stop. You are not up your own ass that hard?

2017-05-17 23:17:39 UTC

yes, again he discovered labour exploitation

2017-05-17 23:17:52 UTC

@OF-8 If you want to use one word to define Marxism its: "Materialism" - Lenin

2017-05-17 23:17:54 UTC

Ok now I'm truly struggling.

2017-05-17 23:18:00 UTC

Holy shit.

2017-05-17 23:18:01 UTC

Lmfao

2017-05-17 23:18:20 UTC

Wait. Is this like how women's studies is now a science?

2017-05-17 23:18:25 UTC

neoclassical economics are idealist pseudoscience, closed models to match the society

2017-05-17 23:18:42 UTC

Like when we discover an exploitation, bam! New science!

2017-05-17 23:18:47 UTC

marxism describes capitalism; he didn't propose a clear socialist alternative

2017-05-17 23:18:58 UTC

that's done by modern marxist economists; planned economy is from Lenin

2017-05-17 23:19:07 UTC

and it was shaped by Stalin in practice

2017-05-17 23:19:16 UTC

Bleh, that was legit prescient.

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