I am born in a pagan land where I have a higher chance to be immoral that would send me to hell.

Higher chance? No.

Yet if I was born in the Vatican, this would not be the case.

You said greater chance of immorality

And that such immorality leads to hell

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How...

If you were born in a pagan land, you do not have be immoral, there is higher potential, not higher chance.

You aren't in a pagan land.

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You have to look at this statistically. There is higher potential for immorality. How do we measure this? Because more people are immoral. Why is that the case? Because there is a higher chance of it.

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Or, do you have no proof that there is a higher chance of immorality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1hD9YzwZk

These are Pagans, not Tengriists.

They are still Tengriists.

Paganism are any of the earlier-then-Christianity faithes in Europe.

oh shit back to tengriist

You are not a Pagan.

I am saying, you flip a coin, be righteous or not. This applies to everyone with the same probability. A Christian can be immoral just as much as a pagan.

Pagans are religions that are not Christianity. That is the definition.

Is the chance of immorality higher in pagan lands than Christian lands?

I'd say there is a higher chance in Pagan societies

No.

this is painful

For example: exploration of bisexual urges was encouraged in some Pagan societies.

If I recall the European pagans were more hedonistic than Christians by far.

whats wrong with bisexuality why is it immoral

Would you call that immoral?

Fucking youg boys was encouraged in Greek Pagan societies.

Those are all sins. They are immoral.

Immorality can manifest is lots of ways. But only when you are not righteous.

why are they immoral

A Christian immorality looks different than a pagan one.

Both go to Hell.

I have a question: can someone sent to hell be redemned while in hell?

No.

I say it would be better to not spread religion at all if chance of going to hell is the same for both. Let pagans enjoy hedonistic ways and still go to heaven at the same rate.

what makes something immoral tho

like what is immorality

Spreading religion lets the righteous get closer to God, and God wants this.

It takes away pleasure from those on the other end. Let them enjoy worldly pleasure yet still go to paradise.

They won't go to heaven.

Spreading the gospel makes resisting temptation harder for them. It seems as if it would be a burden.

If they do not go to heaven at the same rate, that is geographical favoritism.

A sin of a non-believer is just as bad as a sin of a believer, but a non-believer has some wriggling room. They can not be 100% hedonistic, murdering, and so on. And be accepted into heaven.

i think christianity might be immoral in the form of organized religion

Tengri, on the other hand, holds no favorites.

it harms other people i mean i think thats really the base of immorality

things that harm others are immoral

If I had to choose one god to worship at this point, Tengri seems both more appealing and powerful to me.

@Deleted User Your hedonism harms others.

my hedonism?

Should I stone you and ban your favorite pleasures?

Immorality results when we knowingly pursue something that is good in itself but bad for us in terms of what it means to be human.

explain to me what my hedonism is and how it harms others ironcross

Well, crossdressing as a spirtial and physical male.

Humans are naturally hedonistic just as our cousins, the Bonobos, are.

how does it harm people and how is it hedonistic

Moral evil results when a person intentionally does something or fails to do something that prevents herself or somebody else from realising their human potential, and it is caused by a defect of the will, that is, by a lack of understanding of the good.

Aquinas does not believe that we can rationally desire evil because we can only desire that which exists.

There is an assumption on what the human potential is here

That's one thing: a man is not to dress as a woman. And this can lead to children being very well confused, normal people disgusted and disgruntled. And it's hedonistic because you aren't doing it to solve a long life depression, like transsexuals, but for your own pleasure. Because you want to dress like that. Not to become more productive and moral overall.

The Christian human potential may not find itself in agreement with other cultures.

God is just and we cannot comprehend the extent of His justice. To say favouritism exists is a misunderstanding of God.

how does it effect my moral choices or productivity being a transsexual? why is it my fault people hold hate in their heart arent they immoral for needlesly hating ?

You believe on faith that your god is just. At the same time, I believe in faith that our Tengri uses all religions to lead to him.

Human beings have basic potentialities that are not acquired, not constructed, not imposed, but are inherent within them, basic potentialities that they have just by coming to be, that is, potentialities they have in virtue of what they are. And so human beings do have a nature. Human beings have the inherent potentialities to maintain their organic states, to grow, to reproduce, to perceive, to remember, to imagine, to have emotions, to understand, and to will. Not every human being can immediately exercise all of these potentialities, but every human being is oriented to actively developing himself or herself to the stage at which he or she will perform such actions.

You *are* a transsexual? A *real suffer of gender dysphoria?*

yes

Then the cross dressing is not leveled at you, you were put into a test. To rise above life shattering depression. And your supposed homosexuality, that don't exactly apply. But your sexual deviancy is the issue.

Tengriists look to Tengri to open pathways to their own potential. There is no conflict.

Justice is a logical conclusion of God. Tengri superstition is not.

Fucking people out of marriage, doing it at all when you can not even have children.

Those are most definately sins.

fucking people out of marriage?

Outside.

hows t hat?

Tengriism is founded on the logic that God is powerful enough to have all cultures worship him without needing to enslave his children on that task.

oh i get you

Is that not how you have sexual relations?

Are you married?

i was taking it as like other use of fucking

i mean what am i suppose to do live my life as a celibate cause i cant have kids?

In short, yes.

But all cultures don't worship Tengri, only your superstition suggests they do.

Well... No, but you need to repent for those sins.

I mean, I don't wanna encourage you to do it...

@Deleted User Feel free to use sex as a social bonding activity. Our cousins do this all the time.

But, well, I don't know.

tengriism is nihilistic

Lesser primates lack self reflection.

Fuck, I'm just gonna say: don't. To be safe.

They worship Tengri because Tengri provides different methods of worship to different cultures.

The Christian God, however, is not just. You believe it on the basis of faith.

i have a lot of issues with marriage... i dont wanna do it cause i think its morally repugnant its implications, but at the same time, i have this cultural urge to marry a man and adopt children

Many white children need strong, Christian values.

A strong, moral, Christia family.