and the two usually dislike each other

They're not intellectually honest, but i guess this data you cannot comprehend

uHhHHHh fascism is when u mean and masculine >>>:(((

All of Frankfurt School thought on fascism.

Reworded a million ways.

PoMo and Marxism are irreconcilable

they are truly irreconcilable yes

but they only use PoMo as it serves them to the end goal

there's an underlying marxism

they're disingenuous intellectuals

can you identify this mysterious, "underlying marxism"?

and "muh eguality" is not sufficient quantification

The entire basis of the academic left post-WWII was based off of cultural Marxist ideas cultivated in the 20's and 30's which rejected Soviet authoritarianism and democratic socialism in favor of an intersectional anti-authority alliance.

the equation u identified with the base structure and superstructure, or that Marx did, they pretty much saw it as not a one way street, the New Left was a Psychoanalytical movement too, they saw it as a Relationship @Xinyue

It's a Hegelian/Marxist dialectic and it's documented history.

There is nothing conspiratorial about it.

They've infected academia ever since they came over on their banana boats during and after WWII.

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They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl(goal being communism). It is derived from Marx, i guess you can claim it's a different movement..? @Xinyue

Lol what ? It has more in common with nietzchean thought than marxism(ie fouccalt)

What the fuck?

What does it have in common with Nietzsche?

?

I'm curious about your hot take on this.

And no, it's absolutely ripping the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic.

To say it has "more" in common with Nietzsche than Hegel or Marx is pretty laughable.

I've seen some qoute from fouccalt about how he rejected old marxism for nietzche or something,i need to find it

You saw some quote from Foucault?

> They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl

literally anti-Marxist

I don't think you've read Nietzsche, Marx, or Hegel.

You poor sweet summer child.

Marx claimed the world specifically doesn't work like this

the entire thrust of Marx's and Engels' theory is that culture is downstream from material conditions

and cannot be any other way

@Xinyue read my previous comment

```the equation u identified with the base structure and superstructure, or that Marx did, they pretty much saw it as not a one way street, the New Left was a Psychoanalytical movement too, they saw it as a Relationship @Xinyue ```

so its not Marxism and cannot ever be considered a tool or expansion of Marxism because its divorced from the *foundational premise* of Marxism

plain and simple

Nietzsche's whole thing was about rejecting religious values which had sustained society until the Enlightenment in favor of the self-made man who creates his own meanings and morals. This is completely antithetical to the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic which blames misfortune on material conditions.

You have no idea what you're talking about buckeroo.

@Xinyue but u disagreed with when I said that both ancaps and commies look at culture and human interaction as downstream of market forces and here u are confirming it

not market forces

Cool story peterson

*material conditions*

It is an outgrowth of Marxists Thought

entirely different things

>material conditions

material conditions are

a) resources
b) technology level
c) the environment in general, nature factors etc

>not market

these are not "market forces"

basically market

....no

its not market at all

yes

don't fucking deny it

the material world is not "market"

Yeah I agree it isn't very Marxist, I think it's much more Hegelian. But you're shitting yourself if you don't think the original members of the Frankfurt School weren't open Marxists who saw their revisionism as an antidote to both Soviet authoritarianism and democratic socialism.

Like an actual fucktard.

what a bizarre reading

not even ancaps have hot takes like this

I was not expecting to open this chat and be exposed to a bunch of mental midgetry of this caliber.

ancaps have an universal theory where everything is boiled down to a transaction

Lord make me chaste but not yet.

Stop copying otter you pleb

I am allowed to copy Otter if you're being a fucking knuckledragger.

dude, material conditions refer to the material and technical foundations that men are born into - what technology level a given society has, what chemicals and materials are present in the environment, i.e *the degrees of freedom and limits to development potential inherent in the physical world*

this is not market

ffs

which again is driven by market and economy

Marx was a materialist cuck

😹 when u mental midget

the universe is driven by market?

wew lad

wild

talking about society here bud

stop being mean guys 🤧

Marx spoke about the objective, material world *in general*

Lame, otter always uses the "moo" emoji. Step your game up

his materialism was ontological

play nice

>transaction
Exactly, market exists between individuals. There is no market in material in and of itself

and the individual's relationship with the objective, external world of material phenomena

Why are you comparing me to Otter? you seem weirdly fixated on that. It just seems like a scapegoat for being a fucking idiot tbqh fam

like there exists an actual philosophy that underlies Marxian economics

marx actually just made ideology that is basically satanism to christianity

now now

no fighting

Xinyue actually seems like he knows what he's talking about.

But I think you were an asshole birth.

Xinu is a Beast

Shame He's a Race Mixing Degenerate

Because you retards always argued back and forth, i'm not a idiot brah

im not an idiot brah <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

pls respect me

Eithee step up your shitty otter play or shut up

Simple as that

*S e v e r a l p e o p l e a r e t y p i n g*

Put some effort in it

You said things that were wrong, I called them out as wrong, I explained why they were wrong, and then I called you an idiot.