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They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl(goal being communism). It is derived from Marx, i guess you can claim it's a different movement..? @Xinyue

Lol what ? It has more in common with nietzchean thought than marxism(ie fouccalt)

What the fuck?

What does it have in common with Nietzsche?

?

I'm curious about your hot take on this.

And no, it's absolutely ripping the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic.

To say it has "more" in common with Nietzsche than Hegel or Marx is pretty laughable.

I've seen some qoute from fouccalt about how he rejected old marxism for nietzche or something,i need to find it

You saw some quote from Foucault?

> They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl

literally anti-Marxist

I don't think you've read Nietzsche, Marx, or Hegel.

You poor sweet summer child.

Marx claimed the world specifically doesn't work like this

the entire thrust of Marx's and Engels' theory is that culture is downstream from material conditions

and cannot be any other way

@Xinyue read my previous comment

```the equation u identified with the base structure and superstructure, or that Marx did, they pretty much saw it as not a one way street, the New Left was a Psychoanalytical movement too, they saw it as a Relationship @Xinyue ```

so its not Marxism and cannot ever be considered a tool or expansion of Marxism because its divorced from the *foundational premise* of Marxism

plain and simple

Nietzsche's whole thing was about rejecting religious values which had sustained society until the Enlightenment in favor of the self-made man who creates his own meanings and morals. This is completely antithetical to the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic which blames misfortune on material conditions.

You have no idea what you're talking about buckeroo.

@Xinyue but u disagreed with when I said that both ancaps and commies look at culture and human interaction as downstream of market forces and here u are confirming it

not market forces

Cool story peterson

*material conditions*

It is an outgrowth of Marxists Thought

entirely different things

>material conditions

material conditions are

a) resources
b) technology level
c) the environment in general, nature factors etc

>not market

these are not "market forces"

basically market

....no

its not market at all

yes

don't fucking deny it

the material world is not "market"

Yeah I agree it isn't very Marxist, I think it's much more Hegelian. But you're shitting yourself if you don't think the original members of the Frankfurt School weren't open Marxists who saw their revisionism as an antidote to both Soviet authoritarianism and democratic socialism.