Message from @Xinyue
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They've infected academia ever since they came over on their banana boats during and after WWII.
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They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl(goal being communism). It is derived from Marx, i guess you can claim it's a different movement..? @Xinyue
Lol what ? It has more in common with nietzchean thought than marxism(ie fouccalt)
What the fuck?
What does it have in common with Nietzsche?
?
I'm curious about your hot take on this.
And no, it's absolutely ripping the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic.
To say it has "more" in common with Nietzsche than Hegel or Marx is pretty laughable.
I've seen some qoute from fouccalt about how he rejected old marxism for nietzche or something,i need to find it
You saw some quote from Foucault?
> They think they can effect Material conditions based on how they can influence culture and morals of the ppl
literally anti-Marxist
I don't think you've read Nietzsche, Marx, or Hegel.
You poor sweet summer child.
Marx claimed the world specifically doesn't work like this
the entire thrust of Marx's and Engels' theory is that culture is downstream from material conditions
and cannot be any other way
@Xinyue read my previous comment
```the equation u identified with the base structure and superstructure, or that Marx did, they pretty much saw it as not a one way street, the New Left was a Psychoanalytical movement too, they saw it as a Relationship @Xinyue ```
so its not Marxism and cannot ever be considered a tool or expansion of Marxism because its divorced from the *foundational premise* of Marxism
plain and simple
Nietzsche's whole thing was about rejecting religious values which had sustained society until the Enlightenment in favor of the self-made man who creates his own meanings and morals. This is completely antithetical to the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic which blames misfortune on material conditions.
You have no idea what you're talking about buckeroo.
@Xinyue but u disagreed with when I said that both ancaps and commies look at culture and human interaction as downstream of market forces and here u are confirming it
not market forces
Cool story peterson
*material conditions*
It is an outgrowth of Marxists Thought
entirely different things
>material conditions
material conditions are
a) resources
b) technology level
c) the environment in general, nature factors etc
>not market
these are not "market forces"
basically market
....no
its not market at all
yes
don't fucking deny it
the material world is not "market"