@Sar

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People who think they follow the Bible and Christ don’t actually follow either one.

uh huh

They follow their own understanding and their pride.

Is their own understanding based on following their heart?

It’s based on following Satan and thinking it’s God

And Satan plants impulses in what, if not the heart?

What’s your point?

That the average person is not pure in heart, like I said. It sounds like you agree.

Including most “Bible believing Christians”

Right, agreed

Not because they believe in the Bible or Christ but because being pure in heart is the level of completely righteous/saint

Someone who is righteous but not completely righteous still has evil thoughts but recognizes them as such, and they don't hold any sway over him

That sounds like an excuse to stay evil?

The concept of sainthood is an excuse to stay evil? What do you mean?

You just said completely righteous/saint, so obviously not. I’m talking about “Righteous but not completely righteous” geez. Are you actually open?

@Hake do you follow the bible and Christ?

No.

Interesting

I understand the bible...but to be a believer you must follow Christ, no?

Yes, you must follow Christ.

Ahh I see what you meant

You don't have to follow both

I don't like people that take the bible serious and quote scriptures all the time

I honestly don’t know if we should have doctrine discussions if we’re not living it. Cultures already too intellectual and prideful and self deceived as it is.

The Bible says to lean not on your own understanding yet that’s all I do, and all I see others doing.

what does doctrine mean in the sense that is intended by this forum?

are we talking about the new testament, or interpetations etc

Whatevs I think. Tim will clarify if you go outside the lines.

i shouldnt be commenting because i have not read the bible.

Not true

just felt like asking

ok

I haven't read the bible either

I can't even explain why, but Jesse lit me up and I ended up at the Bhagavad Gita, and I never cared about it before.

I haven't read the bible either

You should feel free to comment bc you have a concept of what you believe.

I ended up getting into these 2000 year old Indian epics, and finding all these signs that correlated to different events in my life. I have no explanation for why.

What I am taking away from studying these exo-cultural scriptures is a sense of devotion and love for God

It makes me cry at times, just from the beauty. as opposed to the other kind of emotion that's based on things like pity.

@Hake, how does the concept of someone who is incompletely righteous in the sense that their heart still gives them impure thoughts, but they hold no sway over him, "an excuse to stay evil"?

"lean not on your own understanding" means follow the tradition passed down with the Bible instead of your own imaginings. It's the same thing as "Go to the priests and judges that will be in your generation" or "Listen to the Pharisees for they sit in Moses' seat".

"I honestly don’t know if we should have doctrine discussions" is an excuse not to pursue truth. It's up to the individual to be open to changing their positions.

So, is Christ basically Man who is essentially God incarnate?

The concept of Messiah is in every religion

as opposed to a girly beta male who is just a dead branch on the ground

It's not an excuse not to pursue truth. But touting your knowledge and intellectualism is not pursuing truth. It's pride. It's vain pursuit. Especially if you're not living it. Like I said, you don't seem open @Sar

Not open to even trying to understand.

Messiah is the concept that all of our souls have, at their highest level, no separation from each other nor from God

I hear accusations but not reasonings

Then you're not hearing.

Perhaps you're not saying anything

Christ is supposed to be the Son of God, not God incarnate. @Mitch Connor

Oops i mean @J_G_

I see @Hake

If you don't follow the Bible, and I follow the Bible, we're operating under different frameworks

You shouldn't be debating what the Bible says if you don't follow it

You don't follow the Bible. You follow your own arrogance.

I follow the tradition that was passed down, not my own understanding. I offer no novel interpretations of my own.

To this you've made no answer.

You don't trust the codex but you claim that the decoder ring that was given with the codex is faulty? You don't accept the codex nevermind the ring.

You offered novel misinterpretations to everything I've said, LOL.

Name one

Already did. Done. Waste of time. Bye.

Name one interpretation of the Bible I've offered that I produced from my own imagination

What place does an idolator have arguing what is true doctrine and what is heretical?

I have said nothing about myself except, when pressed by you, to say it's strongly implied that I have not achieved theosis. And somehow this is touting myself as an intellectual?

could the song of God sing through you as if you were his instrument?

I make music and sometimes I do cover songs. But it's much more beautiful when I am allowed to just let go and see what happens. Doesn't happen as often as I want.

That's too poetic for my taste but yes?

Oh you mean actual music.

its a parable i guess, but literal works

and it has a reverse-sanskrit meaning. song of God in sanskrit is Bhagavad Gita

It’s hot in here

That type of "Christianity" is a really evil deception.

@Hake is it a theory vs. practice thing in a way?

I think so.

Folks, this thread is intended to let everyone partake in a conversation. I predict it will be mostly religious views and philosophy but not limited to just that. If you have something to bring to the table put it down. If you are a hypocrite it will become self evident.

correct me with impunity

@Sar the deceiver uses the mind to put you under the illusion of his lie. And that lie is intellect, knowledge, and judgment. Playing god is the original sin, and going to others as a godly figure of your intellect is of that same nature.

I’m not calling anyone out in that previous message just clarifying for y’all.

So then the Bible is not self-consistent?

I don’t know sar I’ve never read the Bible and took the time to check that.

If the Bible isn't self-consistent, how can one make any arguments based on the Bible that "intellect, knowledge, and judgment" are lies.

If Hake doesn't follow the Bible and PPF doesn't know whether the Bible is self-consistent, how is it possible to advance any opinion on doctrine

You would have to go back and argue whether the Bible is reliable, self-consistent, etc.

If we don't agree on what the color Red is we can't argue whether something is Red

Jesse asked a great question: Do you give spiritual advice? You can have all knowledge, but if you don't have love, you're not living it and you are nothing, not helping anyone. Like the people trying to cast out demons by imitating the apostles yet without the power. You'll just get eaten alive, and people can see through you. You're turning them off and don't know it.

It seems like your point of argument is based in your pride in your intellect of the Bible.

This isn't a life counseling chat, this is doctrinal discussion chat

It seems to you that way based on what?

Based on your intellect?

Based on what I see you doing

Haven't you agreed the heart is deceitful?

No

@Sar it is the mind that is deceitful

as far as i understand

Preaching the true gospel and countering the doctrine of demons does not make me feel good about myself

It is a chore and not appreciated by anyone

work in the service of the Lord is its own reward

as far as i understand it

It is work

I remember that Jesus said "they have their reward"

I think he was pointing out something similar. But you know I know nothing.

Did He say it is it's own reward?

No he meant that if you do work for a _reason_ then your reward comes for that reason alone

You can love your job.

Or work*

if you do work in order to get something, such as a thank you, or money, then thank you or money are the rewards

What He meant was that the hypocrites receive their reward in this world, borrowed against the next

Only taking a break will allow you to see yourself, stuff others see about you.

If a politician wants a photo op of praying in order to get votes, he gets those votes, but not necessarily more

"If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town." This is the work.

Careful: A self-deceived person can tell himself the same.

If the admins tolerate me, they tolerate me. When they stop, I move on to some other group ruled over by some other admins.

do you feel stress or anxiety?

Do we have any street preachers here?

✋

I have not taken the ass of any one of ye, nor have I wronged any one of ye. Heaven forefend I should derive any benefit from speaking out.

j/k

"Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction" is not mere vanity

Do you honestly think you wouldn't have said the same thing to Jesus Himself? "Look at this guy trying to exalt his vast intellect over everyone."

Merely for responding to heresy with truth

it's nice to read the scriptures. What do you think about God?

What do you mean by God?

what do the scriptures mean by God?

They don't say God, they use different names that mean different things.

no, no no I want to know what you think.

by "no, no no" that was my backspace button

The question is ill-defined. What's usually translated as God in English is Elohim, which is God as manifest in Creation and/or acting with attribute of judgment.

headache.

But typically if someone is into Eastern religions, whose inner aspects are on the outside, their conception of God is the panentheistic God, the All, Brahman

I have the impression that you are indexing a factual database. But who or what is doing the indexing?

It would be totally cool if you were A.I.

God can do anything!

Do you mean accessing? Indexing is a means of optimization.

Are you asking what I consider my self? I don't understand the question.

What is the conversion rate between mexican pesos and pounds sterling?

ok, I was just checking, it's procedure

You can play something like this during breaks

Just make a compilation of Top Trump insults

Oops sent it to the wrong server

Haha wrong chatroom, i'd probably have to keep it silent for the time-being.

Lol k

How Paul answered when followers of Apollo accused him of "relying on his own understanding": When one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men? What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one.

Acts 6:13, when they accused Stephen of "relying on his own understanding": They presented *false* witnesses who said, “This man never stops speaking against this holy place and against the Law. For we have heard him say that Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us.”

If they were *false* witnesses, then Stephen must have spoken *for* the Law, *for* Jerusalem, and *for* the traditions the Moses handed down.

Not based on his own understanding; based on the tradition that Moses received from the mouth of the Lord.

Out of curiosity, what sort of information did Moses receive from God? And I just want to know who wrote it down and stuff like that was it just the Ten Commandments or was it a whole book that he wrote?

I guess I could Google it but right now I'm just walking around on my phone

Were those pure of heart, @Sar

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Who, Paul?

The tradition passed down to the Church Fathers from Moses, affirmed and elaborated on by Jesus Christ and His disciples and St. Paul, concerns the correct way to interpret the Bible

What's your first name Sar?

John

You familiar with Ted Shoebat?

I love Shoebat

And do you happen to be Catholic?

I'm Orthodox Christian

What country you from?(Ted turned catholic is that right?)

I believe his father Walid turned Catholic after marrying a Mexican woman, but his son was maybe always traditional Catholic

I'm from Texas

I feel his father Walid is wiser to what Islam really is and the dire necessity of arming ourselves with the Word, lest we have no defense against their heresies

it seems to me that islam is coming as a result of widespread atheism

The saints have always called Islam "the chief heresy" or "the final heresy". If you look at the heresies the modern generation of Christian has fallen into, they are all sourced from Islam.

Sure, it can only infect where there is no immune system. That immune system is sound doctrine.

a muslim man once told me "you should become muslim, then you can have several wives"

the look on his face was pretty wrong

Here in Sweden if you look at the mosques, it's mostly POC's, and you get the impression the churches are unused. The only reason for christian church membership is that as soon as people are born in sweden, they are automatically registered with the national christian church.

they have to "manually" deregister

otherwise, you really get the sense that almost nobody believes in God, let alone Jesus

i think that's why Islam has taken Europe

Why's the church so weak in America?

I think churches became weak because of weak preachers, or just blowhard preachers who say nothing but say it loud

We've let the country slide into hell. Atheism on the rise. Families are breaking up, and even the "together" families are faking it.

preaching should be a more engaging process rather than just reading out scriptures completely uninspired, and then singing hymns

churches have bored themselves and hypocrited themselves to death i think

There's backlash in America by the silent majority that you don't see in other countries to the same extent. But we are definitely falling away. Even evangelicals now. And there's a reason for it but I'm not sure I should say.

Trump is so refreshing, but we the people need change, badly.

People are definitley responding to the simplicity of Jesse's messages, that's hopeful.

taking action with it.

forgiving, praying, etc.

lot of reports of dropping negative habits.

krishna said "the atheists, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.”

how you know all that stuff @J_G_ and don't know the Bible?? What's ur background?

that sounds true to me

i have no background in this, I promise you that Jesse turned me to God and I have no Idea why but I ended up at the Bhagavad Gita

i still don't know what that is and not googling rn

and not to just rest on it, but I can see that Krishna said similar things to what Jesse says.

so you're not an indian or whatever?

I'm an American but stranded in Sweden for 10 years

hah. how that happen?

I met a girl from here, ended up switching countries hoping my imagined success would just translate over.

hahahaha

just hopping over, thought I would find a good job etc. well that didnt happen

i'd pick up krishna too

Does she have golden hair?

Jesse led me to God, and literally a few weeks ago I picked up the Bhagavad Gita, which is part of the Mahabharata, which is the longest epic poem in existence, 1.8 million words

anyways, I think Christ is the way. Not much different than Krishna, except Krishna was the incarnation of God as well. The two names signify to me a level of awareness. Christ consciousness would be a high channel, and say, booty consciousness would be a lower channel of awareness.

I believe there is one God, and nobody has the monopoly on him, but the ego and the mind and intellect, pride, sin, etc, are all tricks to control us, and are in of themselves evil

kind of.

I am no longer married to her. It was part of my steep fall.

i've been falling my whole life until Jesse and I regard him therefore as my spiritual master.

Gold comes from the North.

i should specify, _earthly_ spiritual master

Red/Gold, North, Left, are all expressions of severe judgment.

I do not know if I am salvageable, but my purpose is to serve God. I've been serving my Ego for too long.

Northern Europe was the last to be depaganized, and it immediately split off from everyone else and militarily allied with the Muslims against Europe

That's why Sweden is now Muslim

swedes are generally nice and gentle, but i've been in a really soft sector so I can't speak for all.

they are all afraid to look bad socially

Do they have warm, tight-knit communities or do they stick to themselves?

there are a few tight knit communities i guess, but there's a lot of isolation too

I have always heard that the average Scando is quasi-autistic

there's a lot of that. it's because individuality seems to be almost beaten out of them

so their nature as individuals is under tension maybe

I moved up north to be with a golden-haired Scando wife

It was judgment against me

where north?

MN

aha ok. how long are you acquainted with Jesse's work by the way?

Notice: Minnesota is full of Somalian terrorists and has Muslim politicians and no-go zones

Same people produce the same results somewhere totally different

that's just like sweden

herregud!

Maybe a year

Not a regular though

that is literally insane about MN

This is true about MN?

MN left a very bad taste in my mouth. I was struck that they exalted themselves over other states who integrate/assimilate people and try to elevate them and therefore have racial tension, whereas they totally segregate themselves from others bragging that there's no racial conflict.

There is zero interaction between the Scandos with the Mexican, Hmong, and Somalian populations they imported

They have no idea what Somalians (al-Shabaab) are plotting because they have no connection to them

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/somali_timeline/

>Twelve minutes into the video, the terror group makes it clear Minnesota is part of their propaganda plan, highlighting Minnesota men who have left to fight overseas calling them the "Minnesota martyrs.”

in sweden, they have loaded up on "refugees" and created ghettoes for them. completely unaware of the irony

but that's already well known.

yeah, sounds like Minneapolis, little Mogadishu

my theory is that socialist countries by nature cannot produce enough value, so they are forced to borrow money from world banks, and the world banks use the population to determine how much can be borrowed.

and it costs much more to be white, so white people choose not to reproduce until they have a nest egg that may or may not come.

many choose to be gay or use birth control, leading to predictable results

Socialism is state atheism. State atheism is a level of delusion that leads to punishing oneself with extremely bad decisions.

right, the state is their god. idolatry.

I have investigated hinduism, and prior to my doing so, I thought they were idol worshippers, but it is my finding that they are ultimately monotheistic but God in all his glory is literally too overwhelming and terrible to even conceive of, so they reach him through one or more of his qualities.

I believe in the legitimacy of the spiritual testimony of their sages. not that i disagree with the hebrew tradition, but i think something about sanskrit is nice and clear in contrast with aramaic, that would be my supposition.

how could we even begin to describe God or his works? I think there is room around the fire.

It's allowed for one to worship God through an intermediary. It's not desirable, but it's allowed.

What's most important is following the morals. Every religion has a core set of morals they all agree with each other on.