the-moral-signal
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@JFGariepy How is the book progressing anyway?
About half of it written right now - unwritten sections keep growing!
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Take your time with the book
We have a lot of patience
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REEEEEEEEEEE!!! GIBZ ME BOOOOOK NOOOWWWW!!!!!!!!
@The-Free-Monk SILENCE!!!
you cant rush greatness
aaaaaaaaaaand we're done...
https://truepundit.com/survey-young-americans-souring-on-capitalism-leaning-socialist/
This is what happens when people have never had to struggle for their freedoms
The young have always been communistic
The problem is going to be.... for the first time in a while they young will outnumber the older ones who have learned
It's easy to be a commie when you are currently being sustained off of the backs of other people's labor
Once you start earnings things from the sweat of your brow, it's not as appealing a philosophy any more
Just in case you want to know what a real man looks like...
https://twitter.com/armyflying/status/1192381443533627392?s=20
His grandchildren
@JFGariepy Chapter #6 could also include Women's "Shit-test"?
when a woman says or does things to her mate, that are often cruel or intentionally testing the boundaries to see if he will "be a man" and able to make her feel secure.
The classic "shit-test" is when a woman asks "do I look fat in these jeans", there is no correct answer. ๐
of course that's what it's about ๐
What kind of selection pressure would have given rise to shit tests i wonder?
i think shit tests are a modern phenomena
essentially men are becoming increasingly emasculated and feminized
so women are no longer certain whether her mate has the physical and mental strength to help her and her offspring survive
so the female maybe trying to test their mental strength and self control ?
or maybe she is being a rational utility maximizer that is just trying the get the most out of you because she knows this relationship is temporary and she has other orbiter beta males to rely upon
Here is an interesting video on that
Also this is another but unrelated very interesting video
I pooped myself
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will the moral signal address veganism
jf asked people to help make a list of moral signals to cover in the book, and veganism was definitely a big one on there. whether it actually makes the book is yet to be seen
are contrarianism and skepticism in the list?
a list of moral signals
what does that mean exactly?
like virtue signaling
i can come up with some if i knew what that meant precisely
From 2015, but the climate activists don't want to talk about it...
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8535
Replacement migration theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg5I6smyIw
Good idea, I'll talk of veganism. By the way, who's the guy who had purchased rights to determine the Letter to The Reader content? I need him to tell me what to talk about now!
My big issue with vegans is they think a moral system is like a mathematical system such that it needs to be internally consistent at all times and all propositions must follow the laws of logic
Our morality never evolved to satisfy the laws of logic it evolved to facilitate group competition under scarce resources with certain winners and many losers
They want to create an artificial morality and use legislation to impose it on every one
Under their moral system using the law to impose your morality on other people is completely justified
Ask Yourself has stated on numerous occasions he wants to get enough ppl on board with veganism so he can ban meat consumption
This makes vegans no different than religious zealots
They are too stupid or willingly ignorant to recognise there is no universally applicable moral system since everyone prefers their own morality that enables them to thrive and reproduce rather than spend life pursuing an abstract goal
An abstract moral system thatโs consistent in many hypotheticals is not what most people are interested in. They want a moral system that conforms to their lived experience and helps them navigate complex social dynamics
@The-Free-Monk I wonder if their attempt to create an artificial morality actually stems from a more primordial morality that involved not causing unnecessary harm to animals?
We evolved to hunt and eat meat
Our ancestors were hunter gatherers
They lived off whatever they could catch and domesticate
Human progress and evolution necessarily entails destruction of other species
Construction, mining, logging, fishing , agriculture, power plants, textile mills etc
All of these involve killing numerous species by destroying their natural habitat and ecosystem
We are way past unnecessary harm
We have probably caused millions to go extinct without even realising
Like you said, our morality never evolved to satisfy the laws of logic.
They are not mathematical systems that are internally consistent at all times.
We could have a moral system where people say they don't want to eat meat to minimize harm to animals while turning a blind eye to other forms of harm to animals.
In that sense you could say the vegans have an excellent example of an internally inconsistent morality.
I think we could even imagine a genetic reason behind this. Maybe people who are genetically predisposed to not want to harm animals are more likely to engage in animal husbandry which has been a huge asset for human society for thousands of years. Maybe the logic behind this morality is not consistent but that's ok right?
one can also argue that any moral system that arbitrarily discrminates between animals and plants, is bankrupt.
Vegans must ignore the reality of plant life, whilst hypocritically upholding the sanctity of animal life. It is retarded.
aren't you presupposing that a moral system has to be logical then? That would contradict Super Monk's position @oojimaflip
No, I don't think so.... A moral system only has to be internally consistent to be valid, internal consistency does not *have to* derive from logic. Morality can be bat-shit insane but still internally consistent. @Boniface
I suppose you disagree with monk and I then, I don't think morality has to be internally consistent. @oojimaflip
Not really, I think most people's attempts at morality fail to be internally consistent. It doesn't mean it ceases to be a moral system, it just is one that I disagree with.
to be fair though, the only internally consistent moral system I do agree with is moral nihilism.
Livestock farming was an essential survival tool
If you suffered from a year of drought or bad rainfall
All you could grow are animal offspring
Unless irrigation canals were set up
But that technology is very recent
would gas lighting be considered a fake moral signal?
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its quite black pilling to hear about JF being stabbed in the back by malicious females
do you think Islamic societies create stronger moral signals than other civilizations when it comes to punishing and and restricting the malicious aspects of female nature
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hopefully one day JFs kids find his YT videos and became based and redpilled
my strategy for dealing with corrupt court systems would be to create a parallel system of justice
something along the lines of sharia courts
that will take full responsibility for cases pertaining to family law
If a nuclear war broke out across the western world and only European peopleโs were left
It would look Islamic when we start rebuilding civilization
Not because we would convert, but because women have destroyed a lot of trust in society
So when shit hits the fan, there will be serious restrictions on women
Theyโll be lucky if it doesnโt resemble Somalia at the end of it tbh
Because if youโre the chad 20% pumping women you know first hand, how much faith you should put in on your wife *not* cucking you
With another chad
Same goes for the bottom 80% virgins
So if this future does come into reality women only have themselves to blame
We could choose the future scenario where WOMEN are in charge
But thatโs pretty shitty as well; men fighting other men inside the group because he caught the guy cheating
Instead of gathering resources and defending
Lack of individual freedom
Pacification
but blaming women is pointless
they are too dumb, naive and irresponsible to see and understand what we do
its like blaming a child for eating ice cream all day and playing video games all day
thats what a child will do since that is its nature
women will do what they have always done
no amount of education or right wing propoganda will change that
women respond to consequences not principles or logic
make consequences for them and they will stop doing what you want them to stop doing
Women are more childlike in order to get their needs met. While men and women are necessary to make a child the long term survival of the woman is more important for reproduction so women have evolved to be more needy, to manipulate the social situation to have their immediate material needs come before men, and conversely men have evolved to be adept at mastering reality to meet the needs of women and the tribe.
Most basic needs don't require much logic to feel or communicate. You can feel hunger without logic, you can feel like you want a roof over your head without logic. But meeting those needs can be much more demanding in the logic department.
i agree
i think women can't change their nature
i would not expect them to
This time around women will be hard segregated and made to never speak until they are arranged a suitable husband.
The lessons learned from this collapse won't be fun for woman as they were the doorway into our destruction and they oppened the door with great ease and 0 thought and it is this character of infant like behaviour and development that they will be allowed nothing.
And here in the west we thought islam was barbaric in it's treatment of women.... islam had a wisdom against this material poison and a social program that had no tolerance for allowing women the freedom they could not handle responsibly.
sadly due to it's modern weakness and the fall of the caliphate they too are slowly succumbing to materialism, hedonism, and are joining the ranks of homo-economicus
@Eternal Entropy YES finally someone who gets it
dont worry about islam
they have a very high birth rate for the low IQ religious population
e.g. here in Pakistan the rich libtard families have 1-2 kids
the poor religious ones have 5-6 kids
just replicate their strategy and make sure these dumbass white women stay in line
I have another strategy
but I would if I hadn't
If only we could make babies by fucking dudes amirite?
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Im happy with the way things are now! While I'm familiar with the biology behind reproduction, i like to imagine the sperm cells from two different men vigorously competing with each other to the extent that they use their flagellae like harpoons to sabatoge and inflict harm upon one and other. Unfortunately this does not happen in our shared current reality but im sure that with enough hard work we can make our shared dream of sperm on sperm combat, a reality.
is anti-natalism proof that sometimes we may over exert and short circuit the mechanism by which we process moral signals?
What kind of moral signals causes crazy childless bitches like these to promote the suicide and death of their own societies?
Are anti-natalists receiving corrupt moral signals or is there something fundamentally wrong with their neurology that makes them susceptible to self defeating and self destructive philosophies ?
lmao her opening argument is that having a stroller can be a "struggle". Why should everything in life be easy? wtf
Wow this lady is dripping with mental illness.
I have no idea what guys do to some white women that breaks them down mentally so much that this is what they end up as
thankfully idiots like this are rare and select themselves out of the gene pool
they leave them alone because they don't want to put up with their shit
unfortunately their cancerous ideas persist because of the media
and academia
then when the women are past their prime they get like "well, I never wanted a baby in the first place, no one should have a baby"
i un-ironically believe anti-natalism is a threat to a nations national security interests
because it advocates for the termination of your country via voluntary extinction
i'm not saying the government should punish people
but maybe the people can do the punishing
I mean
sad old women are gonna be sad
I think its natural for women to try to push their emotions onto others
it probably dates from way back evolutionarily speaking
it also natural for men to curb and prevent women from acting like a sperg
if a cavewoman and her baby are not having enough food its extremely important that that gets communicated to the caveman so he feels like he really needs to go get food
its less important for the caveman's feelings to be communicated to the cavewoman
not that its not important but
cavemen don't need to be hysteric
the caveman also probably had a limit for how much whining he could put up with
he has limited brain power
limited calories
he needs to use them efficiently for hunting and fighting
yep
if the cavewoman advocated for the death of the tribes offspring
the leader and the alphas need to shut that shit down promptly
yep
less the other females start to take it seriously
she would probably be considered useless because she's not making babies or hunting or doing anything productive
but these days we let these people teach our kids <:honkpilled:558686758875824130>
"What kind of moral signals causes crazy childless bitches like these to promote the suicide and death of their own societies?"
Oh lets see here... Feminism, beat the patriarchy, don't have kids. Humans are a parasite on earth and we are killing it so don't have kids.
Kids are such a drag and you only get one life, don't have kids. This is such a shit world, why would you even, don't have kids.
You aren't prepared financially, so focus on wasting your most fertile years making money and don't have kids.
Life is just slavery and full of pain and misery, so don't have kids. They will ruin your body and sex life, so don't have kids.
I'm a failure for many reasons and I'm a miserable cat lady and if I can convince you to be pathetic like me, I'll feel so much better if
I can vicarousely live through you when you don't have kids.
sean connery face slaps.mp4
>atheist morals
@virtue Who wrote that?
grandstanding on big think, gotta be a strong, strong moral signal
@BasedChris U read this^
u should
@Ed Who are you?
An epic gamer, u?
A fed
Like most people here
no me
@BasedChris thx for unbanning me
No problem
But it was Nerth that actually did it
And ofcourse the 50 orbiters
i didnโt know i had orbiters
Hop into the general chat
I think this video gives a ton on insight on moral signals that JF can really build and explore in his book
JF, i think inviting Dr Dutton for a conversation on moral signals would help you write your next book
@The-Free-Monk LOL 2020 DR's calling out other academics cucks
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I was also thinking about certain spaces limit the kind of moral signals that you can send
in an all male space with women excluded
no reproductive signaling can occur
and males dont really need to out alpha each other
which promotes cooperation and collaboration
Men need male spaces i think to make sure they are not distracted by useless signals
Would it be true to say a dog whistle is a type of moral signal?
is it like a hidden moral signal?
if society tries to punish certain types of values and ethics
are dog whistles a tool to communicate to those who might agree with you but to scared to stand out from the mob
I think this woman is a secret leftist doing an IRL gay op to make Christians look bad
Could this be an example of a moral signal meant to defame other groups of organisms to threaten their ability to reproduce?
Leland Yee was a state senator for San Francisco btw
The citadel of virtue signaling
and hypocrisy
he's the guy that got busted in some illegal gun-running scheme, yeh?
Yep, he was a gun trafficker who trafficked in fully automatic weapons and even shoulder-launched missiles, while advocating for more gun control.
He also advocated against violent vidy gaems
yeah, i remember. hard for me to forget names like "Leland" - there's not alot of em out there
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