Message from @oojimaflip

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2019-12-14 17:49:28 UTC  

We evolved to hunt and eat meat

2019-12-14 17:49:43 UTC  

Our ancestors were hunter gatherers

2019-12-14 17:50:07 UTC  

They lived off whatever they could catch and domesticate

2019-12-14 17:50:53 UTC  

Human progress and evolution necessarily entails destruction of other species

2019-12-14 17:51:46 UTC  

Construction, mining, logging, fishing , agriculture, power plants, textile mills etc

2019-12-14 17:52:18 UTC  

All of these involve killing numerous species by destroying their natural habitat and ecosystem

2019-12-14 17:52:33 UTC  

We are way past unnecessary harm

2019-12-14 17:53:02 UTC  

We have probably caused millions to go extinct without even realising

2019-12-14 17:55:57 UTC  

Like you said, our morality never evolved to satisfy the laws of logic.

2019-12-14 17:56:13 UTC  

They are not mathematical systems that are internally consistent at all times.

2019-12-14 17:57:13 UTC  

We could have a moral system where people say they don't want to eat meat to minimize harm to animals while turning a blind eye to other forms of harm to animals.

2019-12-14 17:57:56 UTC  

In that sense you could say the vegans have an excellent example of an internally inconsistent morality.

2019-12-14 18:01:37 UTC  

I think we could even imagine a genetic reason behind this. Maybe people who are genetically predisposed to not want to harm animals are more likely to engage in animal husbandry which has been a huge asset for human society for thousands of years. Maybe the logic behind this morality is not consistent but that's ok right?

2019-12-14 23:55:26 UTC  

one can also argue that any moral system that arbitrarily discrminates between animals and plants, is bankrupt.

2019-12-14 23:56:46 UTC  

Vegans must ignore the reality of plant life, whilst hypocritically upholding the sanctity of animal life. It is retarded.

2019-12-15 03:10:14 UTC  

aren't you presupposing that a moral system has to be logical then? That would contradict Super Monk's position @oojimaflip

2019-12-15 09:16:49 UTC  

No, I don't think so.... A moral system only has to be internally consistent to be valid, internal consistency does not *have to* derive from logic. Morality can be bat-shit insane but still internally consistent. @Boniface

2019-12-15 11:38:46 UTC  

I suppose you disagree with monk and I then, I don't think morality has to be internally consistent. @oojimaflip

2019-12-15 12:30:58 UTC  

Not really, I think most people's attempts at morality fail to be internally consistent. It doesn't mean it ceases to be a moral system, it just is one that I disagree with.

2019-12-15 12:31:29 UTC  

to be fair though, the only internally consistent moral system I do agree with is moral nihilism.

2019-12-15 12:31:32 UTC  
2019-12-15 15:37:07 UTC  

Livestock farming was an essential survival tool

2019-12-15 15:37:25 UTC  

If you suffered from a year of drought or bad rainfall

2019-12-15 15:37:38 UTC  

All you could grow are animal offspring

2019-12-15 15:37:54 UTC  

Unless irrigation canals were set up

2019-12-15 15:38:08 UTC  

But that technology is very recent

2019-12-20 05:59:39 UTC  

would gas lighting be considered a fake moral signal?

2019-12-20 06:02:16 UTC  

🤔 great question

2019-12-22 04:28:17 UTC  

its quite black pilling to hear about JF being stabbed in the back by malicious females

2019-12-22 04:29:19 UTC  

do you think Islamic societies create stronger moral signals than other civilizations when it comes to punishing and and restricting the malicious aspects of female nature

2019-12-22 04:36:03 UTC  

?

2019-12-22 04:36:36 UTC  

hopefully one day JFs kids find his YT videos and became based and redpilled

2019-12-24 02:11:51 UTC  

my strategy for dealing with corrupt court systems would be to create a parallel system of justice

2019-12-24 02:12:23 UTC  

something along the lines of sharia courts

2019-12-24 02:12:51 UTC  

that will take full responsibility for cases pertaining to family law

2019-12-24 02:49:11 UTC  

If a nuclear war broke out across the western world and only European people’s were left

2019-12-24 02:49:32 UTC  

It would look Islamic when we start rebuilding civilization

2019-12-24 02:49:54 UTC  

Not because we would convert, but because women have destroyed a lot of trust in society

2019-12-24 02:50:13 UTC  

So when shit hits the fan, there will be serious restrictions on women

2019-12-24 02:50:29 UTC  

They’ll be lucky if it doesn’t resemble Somalia at the end of it tbh

2019-12-24 02:51:31 UTC  

Because if you’re the chad 20% pumping women you know first hand, how much faith you should put in on your wife *not* cucking you