I don't

for plants to stop a net increase in temp they wouuld have to lock away CO2 at an alarming rate

especially at ~1500ppm

What do you mean input energy into a system? co2 levels change equilibriums so temps raise it doesn’t keep trapping energy for ever

So energy can’t leave

uuhhhh, isn't that what you call the greenhouse effect?

if 400ppm co2 will cause a catastrophic rate of temp increase, what rate of temp increase do you think 1500ppm would produce?

how would plants even catch up?

Catch up with what

the rate of temp increase

it increases with increasing CO2

Do you think if you have 1500ppm of co2 the temperature of earth will keep rising to infinite?

no, that would be ridiculous

So co2 levels and temperature have a equilibrium.

Temperature won’t just keep increasing

To infinity

it should get as hot as venus, if climate scientists are to be believed

No it shouldn’t Venus is 96% carbon dioxide and has a thicker atmosphere. While 1500ppm is waaaaaay less then what Venus has.

We would expect a huge temperature difference and we do

I think Venus has 86 million ppm

It what it says

I've never heard a single climate person talk about equilibriums, it's always about a runaway greenhouse effect

Yes I a closed system

I’m a closed system

Let’s say a jar

The temperature doesn’t increase to infinity

If you shine a light on it

black body radiation and entropy would like a word

it's not a closed system

it can be considered closed for some investigations

As energy levels increase more energy leaves.

Changing co2 changes this

Allowing for more energy to stay to a point till more energy starts to leave

So the temperature is higher

if you continually heat a gas in a container, does it reach an equilibrium, or does it get so hot the pressure increases to the point where the jar explodes?

😂

@johny1846 The earth's atmosphere is not a closed system

We’ll shine constant light on the container the amount it radiates equals the amount it gains after a while

gasses, heat, light etc. all escape the atmosphere

I'm done here, it's impossible to debate with someone who is ideologically possessed

You can do this experiment yourself. Get a jar start with just air shine a light on it measure the temperature after a while it will reach and equilibrium. Slowly increase the co2 concentrations and see how the equilibrium changes. @Downfall Vision these changes aren’t going to change the temperature as much as changing this equilibrium point

"A light" is not equatable to our Sun! FFS

im going to put the jar into a fire

along with this debate

@johny1846 if you then put in some living organisms which soak up CO2 and exhaust Oxygen what happens?

also what control measures are in place for this "experiment"?

how can you be sure that the light level coming from the light to the jar is comparable to the light coming from our sun to earth?

Sure having living organisms fuck up the equilibrium point they will increase the co2 levels and decrease.

Them

So your experiment is meaningless in terms of earth's climate

Nope

It’s shows that co2 changes the equilibrium point

okay

so what?

that doesn't prove that we are heading towards a climate crisis

Other factors changing the co2 levels fucking up the equilibrium doesn’t change this fact

it just proves that CO2 will contribute to the overall temperature of the earth, just like many other elements will

We need the climate crisis because it will makes things colder which means the blacks while move out

@johny1846 if we removed CO2 from the atmosphere at a high enough rate, wouldn't this end the climate change crisis you're expecting?

Yes but it’s impractical

why is it impractical? It's happened before

atmospheric CO2 at less than 300ppm will be adverse to plant growth

The earth has had very high CO2 levels in the atmosphere in the past

and without human technology it has decreased

We even observe an increase in plant growth on earth in our lifetimes

we are in a carbon drought right now

why is it a crisis?

is it worse than other things?

how?

if this is to be believed

@Downfall Vision the problem is with the artificial gain in co2 plant growth isn’t able to keep up with it. That’s why co2 levels continue to grow

it doesn't look like much of a crisis to me

@johny1846 how can you know plant growth isn't able to keep up?

but if plants cant keep up with co2 at 400ppm how the hell did they manage to force an equilibrium at 1500ppm (carboniferous)

Also lets say your doomsday comes, so what?

Humans will survive

it will just be a bit more difficult to sustain our population

@Downfall Vision think about all the eco refugees that will come to your country

and that's IF you're right about the effects

@johny1846 well I wouldn't allow them lol

that's a separate issue

you're lost in ideology dude, and you keep contradicting yourself

well that doesn’t matter because you don’t own the country

no but people who agree with me may be in power by then

maybe not

but that is a separate issue

I mean if you want to avoid eco refugees lowering co2 level is the way to go

or close tha damn borders

That's a stupid argument

and stop importing people

there will always be refugees

Whether they're refugees because of war, poverty or environment

people will always move from bad places to good

Waaaay more refugees like you think the Syrian refugee crisis is bad. Climate imagine what would happen if famines spread across all Africa and South America

okay

it's still a separate issue

why would famine spread?

yes, why would famine spread

increased temps and co2 would mean africa couuld be greened