Message from @oojimaflip

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2019-10-25 15:25:33 UTC  

go look for yourself

2019-10-25 15:25:47 UTC  

if you can find an untainted source

2019-10-25 15:26:25 UTC  

there are emails between climate scientists talking about how problematic the 70's cold period is

2019-10-25 15:26:43 UTC  

We can see historical records of how much change the co2 levels change from plants and volcanoes see the drastic change in temperature and see how it changed.

2019-10-25 15:26:50 UTC  

and how they can massage the data to better fit the trend they want to show

2019-10-25 15:27:12 UTC  

Okay I don’t care about a couple scientist somewhere massaging data

2019-10-25 15:27:39 UTC  

I do, when they control the political landscape it's dangerous

2019-10-25 15:28:17 UTC  

I mean I don’t care if they with the broader scope of if something is true or not.

2019-10-25 15:28:28 UTC  

you never adequately explained how high CO2 levels didn't lead to ever increasing temps

2019-10-25 15:29:25 UTC  

Carboniferous period had CO2 levels ~1500ppm and yet temp was 3~12 degrees higher

2019-10-25 15:29:51 UTC  

why did the high temps not lead to more CO2 and the runaway effect?

2019-10-25 15:30:54 UTC  

it doesn't matter how much time anything has to adapt, your contention is that CO2 produces a temp increase

2019-10-25 15:31:24 UTC  

why did this not occurr during the carboniferous and other high CO2 periods?

2019-10-25 15:32:35 UTC  

Why didn’t it lead to a runaway effect? Because plants grew because of higher co2 levels and took co2 out of the air

2019-10-25 15:33:11 UTC  

you think plants can grow faster than the sun can input energy into the atmosphere?

2019-10-25 15:33:20 UTC  

I don't

2019-10-25 15:34:02 UTC  

for plants to stop a net increase in temp they wouuld have to lock away CO2 at an alarming rate

2019-10-25 15:34:20 UTC  

especially at ~1500ppm

2019-10-25 15:35:05 UTC  

What do you mean input energy into a system? co2 levels change equilibriums so temps raise it doesn’t keep trapping energy for ever

2019-10-25 15:35:16 UTC  

So energy can’t leave

2019-10-25 15:35:39 UTC  

uuhhhh, isn't that what you call the greenhouse effect?

2019-10-25 15:37:26 UTC  

if 400ppm co2 will cause a catastrophic rate of temp increase, what rate of temp increase do you think 1500ppm would produce?

2019-10-25 15:37:49 UTC  

how would plants even catch up?

2019-10-25 15:38:29 UTC  

Catch up with what

2019-10-25 15:38:39 UTC  

the rate of temp increase

2019-10-25 15:38:48 UTC  

it increases with increasing CO2

2019-10-25 15:39:23 UTC  

Do you think if you have 1500ppm of co2 the temperature of earth will keep rising to infinite?

2019-10-25 15:39:38 UTC  

no, that would be ridiculous

2019-10-25 15:40:25 UTC  

So co2 levels and temperature have a equilibrium.

2019-10-25 15:40:32 UTC  

Temperature won’t just keep increasing

2019-10-25 15:40:44 UTC  

To infinity

2019-10-25 15:41:03 UTC  

it should get as hot as venus, if climate scientists are to be believed

2019-10-25 15:41:54 UTC  

No it shouldn’t Venus is 96% carbon dioxide and has a thicker atmosphere. While 1500ppm is waaaaaay less then what Venus has.

2019-10-25 15:42:13 UTC  

We would expect a huge temperature difference and we do

2019-10-25 15:42:36 UTC  

I think Venus has 86 million ppm

2019-10-25 15:42:42 UTC  

It what it says

2019-10-25 15:42:51 UTC  

I've never heard a single climate person talk about equilibriums, it's always about a runaway greenhouse effect

2019-10-25 15:43:06 UTC  

Yes I a closed system

2019-10-25 15:43:11 UTC  

I’m a closed system

2019-10-25 15:43:15 UTC  

Let’s say a jar

2019-10-25 15:43:26 UTC  

The temperature doesn’t increase to infinity