Message from @johny1846

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2019-10-25 15:31:24 UTC  

why did this not occurr during the carboniferous and other high CO2 periods?

2019-10-25 15:32:35 UTC  

Why didn’t it lead to a runaway effect? Because plants grew because of higher co2 levels and took co2 out of the air

2019-10-25 15:33:11 UTC  

you think plants can grow faster than the sun can input energy into the atmosphere?

2019-10-25 15:33:20 UTC  

I don't

2019-10-25 15:34:02 UTC  

for plants to stop a net increase in temp they wouuld have to lock away CO2 at an alarming rate

2019-10-25 15:34:20 UTC  

especially at ~1500ppm

2019-10-25 15:35:05 UTC  

What do you mean input energy into a system? co2 levels change equilibriums so temps raise it doesn’t keep trapping energy for ever

2019-10-25 15:35:16 UTC  

So energy can’t leave

2019-10-25 15:35:39 UTC  

uuhhhh, isn't that what you call the greenhouse effect?

2019-10-25 15:37:26 UTC  

if 400ppm co2 will cause a catastrophic rate of temp increase, what rate of temp increase do you think 1500ppm would produce?

2019-10-25 15:37:49 UTC  

how would plants even catch up?

2019-10-25 15:38:29 UTC  

Catch up with what

2019-10-25 15:38:39 UTC  

the rate of temp increase

2019-10-25 15:38:48 UTC  

it increases with increasing CO2

2019-10-25 15:39:23 UTC  

Do you think if you have 1500ppm of co2 the temperature of earth will keep rising to infinite?

2019-10-25 15:39:38 UTC  

no, that would be ridiculous

2019-10-25 15:40:25 UTC  

So co2 levels and temperature have a equilibrium.

2019-10-25 15:40:32 UTC  

Temperature won’t just keep increasing

2019-10-25 15:40:44 UTC  

To infinity

2019-10-25 15:41:03 UTC  

it should get as hot as venus, if climate scientists are to be believed

2019-10-25 15:41:54 UTC  

No it shouldn’t Venus is 96% carbon dioxide and has a thicker atmosphere. While 1500ppm is waaaaaay less then what Venus has.

2019-10-25 15:42:13 UTC  

We would expect a huge temperature difference and we do

2019-10-25 15:42:36 UTC  

I think Venus has 86 million ppm

2019-10-25 15:42:42 UTC  

It what it says

2019-10-25 15:42:51 UTC  

I've never heard a single climate person talk about equilibriums, it's always about a runaway greenhouse effect

2019-10-25 15:43:06 UTC  

Yes I a closed system

2019-10-25 15:43:11 UTC  

I’m a closed system

2019-10-25 15:43:15 UTC  

Let’s say a jar

2019-10-25 15:43:26 UTC  

The temperature doesn’t increase to infinity

2019-10-25 15:43:33 UTC  

If you shine a light on it

2019-10-25 15:43:40 UTC  

black body radiation and entropy would like a word

2019-10-25 15:43:53 UTC  

it's not a closed system

2019-10-25 15:44:14 UTC  

it can be considered closed for some investigations

2019-10-25 15:44:26 UTC  

As energy levels increase more energy leaves.

2019-10-25 15:44:38 UTC  

Changing co2 changes this

2019-10-25 15:45:05 UTC  

Allowing for more energy to stay to a point till more energy starts to leave

2019-10-25 15:45:27 UTC  

So the temperature is higher

2019-10-25 15:45:47 UTC  

if you continually heat a gas in a container, does it reach an equilibrium, or does it get so hot the pressure increases to the point where the jar explodes?

2019-10-25 15:45:51 UTC  

😂

2019-10-25 15:46:28 UTC  

@johny1846 The earth's atmosphere is not a closed system

2019-10-25 15:46:39 UTC  

We’ll shine constant light on the container the amount it radiates equals the amount it gains after a while