Message from @johny1846

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2019-10-25 15:41:54 UTC  

No it shouldn’t Venus is 96% carbon dioxide and has a thicker atmosphere. While 1500ppm is waaaaaay less then what Venus has.

2019-10-25 15:42:13 UTC  

We would expect a huge temperature difference and we do

2019-10-25 15:42:36 UTC  

I think Venus has 86 million ppm

2019-10-25 15:42:42 UTC  

It what it says

2019-10-25 15:42:51 UTC  

I've never heard a single climate person talk about equilibriums, it's always about a runaway greenhouse effect

2019-10-25 15:43:06 UTC  

Yes I a closed system

2019-10-25 15:43:11 UTC  

I’m a closed system

2019-10-25 15:43:15 UTC  

Let’s say a jar

2019-10-25 15:43:26 UTC  

The temperature doesn’t increase to infinity

2019-10-25 15:43:33 UTC  

If you shine a light on it

2019-10-25 15:43:40 UTC  

black body radiation and entropy would like a word

2019-10-25 15:43:53 UTC  

it's not a closed system

2019-10-25 15:44:14 UTC  

it can be considered closed for some investigations

2019-10-25 15:44:26 UTC  

As energy levels increase more energy leaves.

2019-10-25 15:44:38 UTC  

Changing co2 changes this

2019-10-25 15:45:05 UTC  

Allowing for more energy to stay to a point till more energy starts to leave

2019-10-25 15:45:27 UTC  

So the temperature is higher

2019-10-25 15:45:47 UTC  

if you continually heat a gas in a container, does it reach an equilibrium, or does it get so hot the pressure increases to the point where the jar explodes?

2019-10-25 15:45:51 UTC  

😂

2019-10-25 15:46:28 UTC  

@johny1846 The earth's atmosphere is not a closed system

2019-10-25 15:46:39 UTC  

We’ll shine constant light on the container the amount it radiates equals the amount it gains after a while

2019-10-25 15:47:06 UTC  

gasses, heat, light etc. all escape the atmosphere

2019-10-25 15:47:45 UTC  

I'm done here, it's impossible to debate with someone who is ideologically possessed

2019-10-25 15:50:09 UTC  

You can do this experiment yourself. Get a jar start with just air shine a light on it measure the temperature after a while it will reach and equilibrium. Slowly increase the co2 concentrations and see how the equilibrium changes. @Downfall Vision these changes aren’t going to change the temperature as much as changing this equilibrium point

2019-10-25 15:51:19 UTC  

"A light" is not equatable to our Sun! FFS

2019-10-25 15:52:11 UTC  

im going to put the jar into a fire

2019-10-25 15:52:30 UTC  

along with this debate

2019-10-25 15:52:32 UTC  

@johny1846 if you then put in some living organisms which soak up CO2 and exhaust Oxygen what happens?

2019-10-25 15:53:02 UTC  

also what control measures are in place for this "experiment"?

2019-10-25 15:53:24 UTC  

how can you be sure that the light level coming from the light to the jar is comparable to the light coming from our sun to earth?

2019-10-25 15:54:13 UTC  

Sure having living organisms fuck up the equilibrium point they will increase the co2 levels and decrease.

2019-10-25 15:54:20 UTC  

Them

2019-10-25 15:54:34 UTC  

So your experiment is meaningless in terms of earth's climate

2019-10-25 15:54:39 UTC  

Nope

2019-10-25 15:54:50 UTC  

It’s shows that co2 changes the equilibrium point

2019-10-25 15:54:55 UTC  

okay

2019-10-25 15:54:57 UTC  

so what?

2019-10-25 15:55:13 UTC  

that doesn't prove that we are heading towards a climate crisis

2019-10-25 15:55:30 UTC  

Other factors changing the co2 levels fucking up the equilibrium doesn’t change this fact

2019-10-25 15:55:34 UTC  

it just proves that CO2 will contribute to the overall temperature of the earth, just like many other elements will

2019-10-25 15:55:42 UTC  

We need the climate crisis because it will makes things colder which means the blacks while move out