Immigration is a complex issue, especially for the US. First off yes most of foreign aid monies should be cut back or ended alltogether. I say we have Soverign borders and turn way all those who are illegal, regardless. To overhaul the immigration process is almost a necessity, maybe do away with the quota system, but institute a values test to see if new immigrants mesh well with the current population. I kind of like the Australian immigration system that has a clear, but difficult path to citizenship. If we are to take in immigrants it should be bolster our country, not as a charity. Special exemptions for legitimate asylum seekers of course

@Thomatorr, King of Ohio a combination of violence, economic instability (which there is substantial evidence that suggests it was caused by NAFTA), lack of "honest", good paying jobs, no workers rights in most places, etc

I'm sorry but theres healthcare in mexico. She was deliberately breaking the law by trying to cross the border and have the child here so that it would have American citizenship. Our duty is to Americans. Not foreigners with no respect for laws.

As cruel as it is, Im siding with Vlad here

I saw that headline and I wondered if that isnt some orchestrated shit to rally Leftist minds

@Foxhound tell me something, would you have said the same thing if she had been German?

These things always work in several directions and its sad to even doubt a pregnant woman but I see no yield for ruthlessness in the cabal

If it were up to me, the military would be occupying the border and killing anyone who dared try and cross illegally. Americans MUST protect American interest and this entire article reeks of a rally for lefties to lose their shit.

Yes. I would have if the German woman was illegally entering the united states.

even ME

?

@Foxhound well at least you stand by your principles regardless of skin color I'll give you that

*Anyone*

Like I have an issue with the Russian women who take vacations here to give birth so the kid will have dual citizenship. thats blatant abuse of birthright citizenship that we have

And they're very wealthy to boot

I can agree that's not okay

Never heard of it, but nothing surprises me really anymore

So what would be your suggested fix then? because the USA has taken in more immigrants than any other country in history. And this current system will eventually cause the whole thing to collapse, or otherwise become a different country with different value altogether

@AKAlexei don't get me wrong. I would far rather have Germans and Europeans coming here and having children. However, the sovereignty of borders must be defended at all costs and with all means including sheer violence. If I had my way, militias armed and equipped with assault rifles would guard and patrol the borders. Illegals would be given one chance to gtfo before they fired.

My issue is that the illegal immigration issue is getting clouded in a lot of bullshit. You take a group of Central and South American immigrants; at least 80% of em, maybe even 90% these days are crossing the border illegally just so that way they can start the LEGAL process of applying for citizenship or (more popular now because of what's happening in countries all across CA and SA) political asylum. Now I will tell you right now, when applying for political asylum, doesn't matter if you're a Frenchman who's doing it in Switzerland, a Venezuelan doing it here in the US; it's always easier to apply for political asylum from WITHIN the country you're applying for political asylum from. Trying to do it from an embassy is difficult, as is trying to do anything from a satellite government office is, and think about it; why would you try to apply for political asylum from the US through your OWN government? If you're applying for political asylum, chances are your government sucks and probably would shoot you for trying to leave (prime example; Venezuela). Now back to that original immigrant group example, you're gonna have 15-19% of em who are gonna be migrant workers; harmless, honest, hardworking good people who just can't find honest, LEGAL work in their home countries that actually pays them a salary they can live on, so they cross the border, work, get paid, and then they go home. And they work jobs that 99.99% of American citizens don't want or can't afford to live on (keep in mind, $4 to us might seem like nothing but to them, that's a decent day's pay). And the last of those immigrants aren't immigrants; they're drug dealers, criminals trying to escape prosecution, etc.

There is this image of these people, the "foreign horde", the "invaders" that I am just sick and tired of hearing about. Fuckin' Juan ain't tryna invade shit except his wife's pussy after he gets back from working landscaping in El Paso for the summer my nigga

Except with how broken the border is now there's a record number of immigrants from Africa illegally entering through the southern border. like several groups of hundreds have been caught. Its easier for them to raise a few thousand, fly to a South American country, then march a thousand miles into the US

Bullshit

And that's true

@thedarkness05

Very true

Theres a shit load of illegals where I live. Half of them are legitimate migrant farmers and the other half are literal dealers for the city

@Foxhound well you can thank your government for that friend, because they're the ones who keep the drug war going

You have no one to blame but the good ol' USA

Don't give me that "They just want the American dream" bullshit. They send most of their money back to Mexico, further destabilizing the US economy. Yes some of them do come here simply to work. But a number of them are criminals, rapists, and dealers.

Right because they tooooootally never chose to get into dealing 🙄

So what I suggest is a total lockdown of the border for a year, sort out all the shit that needs to be done, maybe grant amnesty and citizenship to those here with a clear expiry window to apply, then strictly enforce the Visa system. You go past a day, you have ICE dragging you back with a permanant bar on your name

@Foxhound sending $500 for 3 months wages to your fuckin' family isn't destabilizing shit dude, but if you really believe sending money outside the US is destabilizing, how about we talk about the billionaires who send trillions of dollars out of the US to their offshore bank accounts

I'm sure the ones that raped and killed Americans would love to hear its Uncle Sam's fault. Maybe that'll grant the families closure.

Again: Bullshit. These fuckers are in my store shelling out hundreds of dollars for iPhones, apple watches, smart phones, Jordan's, airpods

Ok but the Drug war is an issue. It does contribute to the shithole most of those countries are

Don't try that moral high road shit with me Konot.

How we should handle it.

@Foxhound I'm not talkin' about moral high road anything, I'm saying that you're claim that some migrant farmer sending his family his menial fuckin' wages so they have food to eat while we have fuckin' CEOs offshoring literal trillions to the Grand Camans and Switzerland is about as retarded as Forest Gump

Don't do globalism kids

"Menial" right. That's why these fuckers shell out more money every week than I make in a month right?

And the reason why it seems like there are so many drug dealers is because when you're talking about sample groups as big as we are, 5% can be 10,000 people. So yeah, I'll agree with you, there's a lot of drug dealing and crime that goes with it. But don't sit here and tell me that the US government doesn't share the fuckin' blame. They weren't fighting Escobar they were fucking FUNDING him so they could fight the Sandinistas in Nicaragua (not saying they aren't scum either, but still). The drug wars are a failure and every American citizen who dies in the crossfire of em should be placed at the doorstep of the people responsible for starting it; the American government

@Foxhound well, when you work 3 different jobs, it's no wonder they have that kinda cash

Either that or they're drug dealing, and you know what, it's damn easy to make money at that

Dude. They work one. I've met their boss.

Ok but that money likely isnt taxed

I work 40 hour weeks and barely break even. They're in here every other week buying new phones and all kinds of shit.

And that's another issue. They don't contribute to the very society they wish to be in.

ie not contributing to what they use. Like I had a hospital bill with an extra charge tacked on to cover someone who couldn't pay, that shit dosen't fly with me

^

@Foxhound well just because that's what's happening where you are doesn't mean that's what's happening in other places. Every migrant worker I've met in my area send the majority of their money home to help their families and the rest they put towards buying food and supplies for themselves

Irrelevant of the majority, it still adds up to a fuckload of money being taken away from US buisiness.

Right, lets get away from the anecdotal evidence and focus solely on facts and statistics

@Foxhound your issue isn't with immigrants it's with the fuckin' billionaires

Why not both?

My issue *is* with *illegal* immigrants

Theres plenty of walls that need painting. Line em up.

@Foxhound what have illegal immigrants done to you?

Nothing

Nothing g

You wanna know what billionaires did to you?

They offshored your job

They kept you pior

*poor

Personally? quite a bit. On a National level, quite a bit

They destroyed your middle class

They ended the rise in theinimum wage

The made college tuition prices spike

They did that

I'm sorry but the very fact that they don't observe the right to EVERY nation to have its borders, and will walk thousands of miles to come to the United states instead of finding refugee status in any other South American country that offered. They came here.

And they did it specifically to hurt people like you!

You have no clue about anything in my life, Alexie. Don't make claims you cant substantiate

I don't need to know you're life. The fact is, you should have a job that you can afford to feed a whole family on. You shouldn't need to pay out the ass in college education just to find an "entry level position". You should have your own home! You should have your own car! You should have all those things because that's the way things were supposed to be. That's the way they used to be. But you know what? It isn't. And it's because a group of wealthy CEOs, stock holders, and fat cats decided "hmm... fuck the little working class niggers! Let's make some motherfuckinx money"!

And make no mistake, in their eyes, people like us are all the same. Niggers.

That's how they view us

And they did it on purpose and with malicious intent for their own profit

I use that horrid racial slur specifically because that's what they view us as; slaves

It's easy to blame billionaires for everything, but when you blame everything in them, it does nothing but take responsiblity off of the individual. Let's blame the billionaires for everything. Let's blame the people that control massive amounts of money and resources for everything. Let's blame all the crime and all the dissent on them. Aight Marx let's calm down. Illegal immigration has always been a problem. If you can't respect a border and go through the work of becoming an actual citizen then you don't deserve to come into the nation. That goes for global, not just here.

You literally just said that these are the people who control mass amounts of money and resources. You just proved my point

The responsibility and decision to violate legal borders is made by the individual. The decision to make and deal drugs is made by the individual. The decision to rape and murder is made by the individual. The decision to steal and lie is made by the individual.

I'm not saying a murderer isn't responsible for murder or that a rapist isn't responsible for rape

Personally I think a lot of those claims stem from FDR and his new deal thing. He fucked over this country and started the process of wealthy private and governmental abuse that we're still feeling the rammifications for

I'm saying there is a way American society is supposed to function and a small, wealthy elite took that from us

@thedarkness05 it started in the 70s under Nixon

No, the government did. I'm sure I have studies and stats that show exactly when certian things started to go to hell as a direct result of Government overreach

Like we didn't sign that away? My how quickly we blame others above us for our own struggles. It's almost like me blaming the Jews. Interesting.

It started in the 20's under FDR.

Honestly I keked p hard at the stopped labor one

I’m with vlad it’s about time we firing squad these niggas

Nixon is just responsible for the drug war and the consequences thereof

@thedarkness05 okay friend lemme educate you. The 50s and 60s had no economic recessions or depressions. You know why? Because we had a marginalized corporate tax rate in place at 90%. We had strong, FUNCTIONAL unions that weren't pieces of shit, we had a robust middle class, and we manufactured shit. Then in the 70s, it all started slipping away. They offshored the jobs, they got rid of the corporate tax rate, they turned unions into shells of what they were, and declawed the ones that wouldn't back down from actually fighting for workers, and then they financialized the market so now you have to have massive credit just to buy anything of importance (house, car, etc). The boomers destroyed the housing market, and to top it all off, they forced the working class to foot the bill with higher taxes

Meanwhile you got fuckers like Jeff Bezos, the richest fucker in the world (literally) who pays NOTHING in taxes

Let's not forget that 48% of Billionaire are Jewish.

And the corporate tax thing? I have proof of that

^next one to get Clinton'd

The major reason the 50s and 60s were prosperous was because we were riding the high of the finincial gain WW2 caused. But yes, corporate tax is a problem I do admit

So we need another World War /

Hooray for the military-industrial complex

bless black budgets