I can agree that's not okay

Never heard of it, but nothing surprises me really anymore

So what would be your suggested fix then? because the USA has taken in more immigrants than any other country in history. And this current system will eventually cause the whole thing to collapse, or otherwise become a different country with different value altogether

@AKAlexei don't get me wrong. I would far rather have Germans and Europeans coming here and having children. However, the sovereignty of borders must be defended at all costs and with all means including sheer violence. If I had my way, militias armed and equipped with assault rifles would guard and patrol the borders. Illegals would be given one chance to gtfo before they fired.

My issue is that the illegal immigration issue is getting clouded in a lot of bullshit. You take a group of Central and South American immigrants; at least 80% of em, maybe even 90% these days are crossing the border illegally just so that way they can start the LEGAL process of applying for citizenship or (more popular now because of what's happening in countries all across CA and SA) political asylum. Now I will tell you right now, when applying for political asylum, doesn't matter if you're a Frenchman who's doing it in Switzerland, a Venezuelan doing it here in the US; it's always easier to apply for political asylum from WITHIN the country you're applying for political asylum from. Trying to do it from an embassy is difficult, as is trying to do anything from a satellite government office is, and think about it; why would you try to apply for political asylum from the US through your OWN government? If you're applying for political asylum, chances are your government sucks and probably would shoot you for trying to leave (prime example; Venezuela). Now back to that original immigrant group example, you're gonna have 15-19% of em who are gonna be migrant workers; harmless, honest, hardworking good people who just can't find honest, LEGAL work in their home countries that actually pays them a salary they can live on, so they cross the border, work, get paid, and then they go home. And they work jobs that 99.99% of American citizens don't want or can't afford to live on (keep in mind, $4 to us might seem like nothing but to them, that's a decent day's pay). And the last of those immigrants aren't immigrants; they're drug dealers, criminals trying to escape prosecution, etc.

There is this image of these people, the "foreign horde", the "invaders" that I am just sick and tired of hearing about. Fuckin' Juan ain't tryna invade shit except his wife's pussy after he gets back from working landscaping in El Paso for the summer my nigga

Except with how broken the border is now there's a record number of immigrants from Africa illegally entering through the southern border. like several groups of hundreds have been caught. Its easier for them to raise a few thousand, fly to a South American country, then march a thousand miles into the US

Bullshit

And that's true

@thedarkness05

Very true

Theres a shit load of illegals where I live. Half of them are legitimate migrant farmers and the other half are literal dealers for the city

@Foxhound well you can thank your government for that friend, because they're the ones who keep the drug war going

You have no one to blame but the good ol' USA

Don't give me that "They just want the American dream" bullshit. They send most of their money back to Mexico, further destabilizing the US economy. Yes some of them do come here simply to work. But a number of them are criminals, rapists, and dealers.

Right because they tooooootally never chose to get into dealing 🙄

So what I suggest is a total lockdown of the border for a year, sort out all the shit that needs to be done, maybe grant amnesty and citizenship to those here with a clear expiry window to apply, then strictly enforce the Visa system. You go past a day, you have ICE dragging you back with a permanant bar on your name

@Foxhound sending $500 for 3 months wages to your fuckin' family isn't destabilizing shit dude, but if you really believe sending money outside the US is destabilizing, how about we talk about the billionaires who send trillions of dollars out of the US to their offshore bank accounts

I'm sure the ones that raped and killed Americans would love to hear its Uncle Sam's fault. Maybe that'll grant the families closure.

Again: Bullshit. These fuckers are in my store shelling out hundreds of dollars for iPhones, apple watches, smart phones, Jordan's, airpods

Ok but the Drug war is an issue. It does contribute to the shithole most of those countries are

Don't try that moral high road shit with me Konot.

How we should handle it.

@Foxhound I'm not talkin' about moral high road anything, I'm saying that you're claim that some migrant farmer sending his family his menial fuckin' wages so they have food to eat while we have fuckin' CEOs offshoring literal trillions to the Grand Camans and Switzerland is about as retarded as Forest Gump

Don't do globalism kids

"Menial" right. That's why these fuckers shell out more money every week than I make in a month right?

And the reason why it seems like there are so many drug dealers is because when you're talking about sample groups as big as we are, 5% can be 10,000 people. So yeah, I'll agree with you, there's a lot of drug dealing and crime that goes with it. But don't sit here and tell me that the US government doesn't share the fuckin' blame. They weren't fighting Escobar they were fucking FUNDING him so they could fight the Sandinistas in Nicaragua (not saying they aren't scum either, but still). The drug wars are a failure and every American citizen who dies in the crossfire of em should be placed at the doorstep of the people responsible for starting it; the American government

@Foxhound well, when you work 3 different jobs, it's no wonder they have that kinda cash

Either that or they're drug dealing, and you know what, it's damn easy to make money at that

Dude. They work one. I've met their boss.

Ok but that money likely isnt taxed

I work 40 hour weeks and barely break even. They're in here every other week buying new phones and all kinds of shit.

And that's another issue. They don't contribute to the very society they wish to be in.

ie not contributing to what they use. Like I had a hospital bill with an extra charge tacked on to cover someone who couldn't pay, that shit dosen't fly with me

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@Foxhound well just because that's what's happening where you are doesn't mean that's what's happening in other places. Every migrant worker I've met in my area send the majority of their money home to help their families and the rest they put towards buying food and supplies for themselves

Irrelevant of the majority, it still adds up to a fuckload of money being taken away from US buisiness.

Right, lets get away from the anecdotal evidence and focus solely on facts and statistics

@Foxhound your issue isn't with immigrants it's with the fuckin' billionaires

Why not both?

My issue *is* with *illegal* immigrants