Yes or no, does God know what action you will make before you make it?

Predestined by whom? God.

Yes

This is literally the central tenant of Calvinism

As I stated earlier - God knows what actions individuals will take, correct?

This is what you think

Well obviously you don't think so since you don't believe in God

Specifically here though, if God knows what action will be taken, free will doesn't exist.

And then calvinism is fine and a working theory

Except it does because God isn't the one influencing what actions will be taken

He doesn't have to bne

if the decision is predetermined, then you don't have free will.

Again this is something everyone has agreed on for hundred and hundreds of years

Appeal to majority eh?

How does 'knowing what one will do' equate to 'one has no free will'

The actions taken is still the imperative of the individual

God knows what actions will be taken

Because if one has free will there is no set decision yet....

Yeah it's an appeal to majority when you disregard the most fundamental and obvious logic that exists.

Shall we agree to disagree then?

Yup because to say a decision is known before it's made with 100% certainty directly implies that it is predetermined, and not decided by free will.

I'll concede then that free will is an illusion.

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fellas I want to find things that will move my soul in here

good christian posts mean way more than anything else for shieldbrother status rn

https://youtu.be/5IY9tpfnb_8

Cash really understood it man

Not his own song but the way he sings it is solid

Regardless if you're protestant or not, i encourage everyone to pray the rosary

I will not post more than three, in case its construed as spam. I have more good christfriend music if anyone wants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyrI7qGrEaU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwCK8pFZ0M

if you're into stoner stuff, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Sleep etc then this is for you:

https://youtu.be/KEFPtG4dP0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoKQYEFJHYE&ab_channel=SensusFidelium

POWERFULL

Sensus Fidelium is a good channel

Saint Nick

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Saint Nick

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can we ban all low church faggots plox

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/01/17/pope-francis-honors-dutch-abortion-activist-with-pontifical-medal-of-knighthood/amp/?__twitter_impression=true <:bigguy:402401397892710411>

Based lmao Catholics 😂

Choice are nested within predestinated gifts and judgements. God's will is one.

Therefore no free will. Only choice taken according to amount of seratonin you were gifted by god

Really as simple as that

@shinjitsu @SGL

As long as you either say no free will or no predestination

And I conceded that free will may very well be an illusion

Which, all things considered, isn't such a bad thing

@sbbu memes aside, that's a cute concept

I was baptized catholic but always been an atheist. What bible is the right one? I don't want the crazy Mormon shit or anything like that. I want the real bible. Please let me know. I've finally given up atheism.

The Hellenic Bible (Septuagint) is the earliest and closest known translation to the original texts, and used by the Catholic Church

Thank you

Somewhat hard to read though. You can find decent translations like NARE which I use, but you have to be aware of where you get it and who approved it. The Catholic Church has approved many versions that are in line with the Hellenic version. For instance, ones based off the KJV seen great because they’re missing material and were interpreted by men outside the apostolic succession

https://youtu.be/PLoICTi_J7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x6aOBqc9d0

guys, how do I stop believing in evolution?

you dont have to

smh

but evolution is not compatible with christianity

https://youtu.be/UdFnhElmDlc?t=3m53s

Not the best speaker but the content is good.

https://youtu.be/k6C9BuXe2RM

@čarls Read The Language of God by Francis S. Collins, he's a christian who believes in evolution and a physicist

Williamson is woke

Definitely explains the evil of the modern world

who all has crusader kings 2, very trad

universal ordinary magisterium

ck2 gamenight when @Airdrieonian

https://twitter.com/BrainsickBlaze/status/954819547315384320

What do we do with pretend Christians?

She literally has "the last supper" hanging up in our living room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLr0lOF685M <:dab:402362224527671306>

only american protestants dont believe in evolution
and only dumb gaytheists think evolution justifies their ignorance of the Lord

im taking a class on evolution this semesster

so I will be expert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJxrX42WcjQ if we are posting this kinda stuff lmao

NAAAAAA NAAAAAAA NAAAAAAAAAA

when did this song come out lmao

lmaaaaaaaaaaoooooooooo

I dont like the SLUITTY dancers in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxDXnM1Jd6Q seeing these asians is quite funny

Isn't Josh Groban jewish

Goldwater tier.

Like Kubrick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5oPIHnHQs&ab_channel=CatholicClips

http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_032br_Sheen.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYBlyMX1e8M

I know ozy already posted this but this song is beautiful

the thing he says at the start on this video man

It's so wonderful. Don't even blame ya for reposting it

May the Lord help us all

https://open.spotify.com/album/5W5ImYrmggt6B4PidNyF2i
If you guys dig Cash, he covered a lot of hymns in this album

@Alex Ball http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/teilhard_de_chardin_and_the_christian_vision-by_philip_sherrard.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tgVU6xrYk

if you pray pray for my buddy thomas in afganistan hes going on another rotation to a forward combat outpost

@Joe the boomer 🙏

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Hello

Id just like to say that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

@Deleted User I've been thinking about this a lot lately. What do you think about prots and orthos who live 100% commited to christ?

If you were 100% Commited to Christ You would become a Catholic

@Simon Sasquatch

So I think the prots and orthos go to hell

Unless the Ortho lives in siberia and has never heard of the church

Hmm, what are your reasons as to why?
I'm considering converting to Catholicism

Its pretty simple

Christ King made 1 Church

Not 2 not 3

The 1 Church he made is the Catholic Church, every other denomination broke off from it either directly or indirectly

So how could i possibly reach heaven if i am following a church NOT made by Christ?

The perspective I've always seen this question from is that if you pray to Christ, submit yourself to him, repent of your sins and ask forgiveness, that you are saved

Like for instance the criminal on the cross next to Christ, who recognized him as Lord and was granted heaven.

You may be right, but I'm just not convinced that devout men who were raised in a Protestant household who dedicate themselves to Christ won't receive heaven. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, He confessed his sins right before Christ on earth

So naturally he was saved, He confessed his sins to the First Priest, Christ King

However, if i am a protestant and choose to ignore the church made my Christ Himself and follow christ my OWN way why the fuck would i deserve salvation

I imagine that most non-Catholic Christians don't see it that way.

It doesnt matter how they see it

What matters is the Truth

I disagree with Protestantism on principle, but do you really think that Christians raised in ignorance of the truth of the Catholic Church's authority but follow Christ's teachings are damned?

If they are 100% ignorant then they will be saved so long they are baptized

But if they KNOW of the Catholoc church

Then sadly they will burn

@Simon Sasquatch Also if you plan to convert I suggest you go to a church that has Latin mass

@Deleted User I attended a SSPX Latin mass last week, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Ah Nice

I attend SSPX aswell

I love it

Can you see my sceptism about the idea that only those who are part of the Catholic church are saved?
The modernist Catholic church doesn't practice the real mass, the post Vactican II Popes are invalid according to the traditional Catechism, and most attendees of the Norvus Ordo mass don't practice any parts of the religion. Do you think that Norvus Ordo Catholics will be saved?

@Simon Sasquatch I believe that Most Novus Ordites as they are modernist heretics will not be saved, HOWEVER although i hate that mass, some {few} novus ordo masses are decent

So I think that salvation can be found in Novus Ordo but not many will be saved by it

As you said its a terrible mass filled with heretics and heresu

That's the trouble with the idea that only Catholics will be saved, for me. The modern Catholic Church is in rebelion against God in favor of the World. If we agree that the authority of the Pope and high clergy of the modern Catholic church is not valid becuase they effectivly created a new religion with Vactican II, then wouldn't that mean that you'd have to break away from the Catholic Church to some extent to truely follow the true Catholic faith?

no

breaking away will send you to hell

The SSPX view the Pope as legitimate

And they are in partial communion and will be in FULL communion soon

We just need to understand that right now The Mother Church is going through a HARD time

But I trust in Christ King that in time these problems will be solved

And progress is being made

Allmost every NEW seminarians are Traditionalists

The next wave of Priests will fix the Church IMO

IDK man, you may be right. I don't see how the modernist popes can be legit, but you're obviously more knowlegable on this topic than me, I'll concede that.

I'll pray on it, and I'll definitely go back to the SSPX mass.

@Simon Sasquatch Study history and you will learn that we have Had MUCH WORSE popes than what we have now

For example we had a Pope who had a daughter and impregnated her

WHILE POPE

So just keep going to the SSPX mass and even if you come to reject the Modern Popes do not Blaspheme

I'll look into it

@Deleted User Thanks for the insight

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Novus ordo are the only parishes near me, I'd have to drive almost 2 hours for latin mass. Unfortunately that's not possible rn

But the deacons are very nice to me at the church i go to, they just got a new priest

Make sure he doesn't pull a Father Michael and isn't raping babies or shit like that. Keep that Novus Ordo shit in check.

https://youtu.be/YWzPU1oeViM

Terry Marino Matthew 18:15-17New International Version (NIV)
Dealing With Sin in the Church
15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Powerful response to the cast the stone stuff

Hey fella, be careful with that interpretation...

https://youtu.be/RdAzXbGE2Xk

https://i.imgur.com/3R9S4Pw.jpg

https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/12/vatican-ii-kabbalist-sage-rabbi-abraham.html?m=1

How do you guys feel about this?

Makes me want to put him on his knees at the precipice of a large deep ravine or cavern, and put a bullet through his knees and elbows and push him in.

Kike bastard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-biXpY4iw

Pray for breadpill fellas

Always

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https://youtu.be/SMPg2ie_I-M

https://twitter.com/Bdubs1776/status/743092604565368832

https://youtu.be/vY1abEPR6LE

Sheen was very woke

My priest recommended him to me. Strange to think he was on a main television network at one point

https://youtu.be/H045AOly6-8

post something to boost my faith

@🎭🎵 Nick is arguing for Faith on Warski rn, that may help

im watching it

@🎭🎵 This may help: https://youtu.be/NNj8NxdC9GE

I don't agree with everything he says, but Fair Use has really helped me through hard times.

@🎭🎵 Here's one of his best episodes, it was deleted from youtube, but I made an archive of it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XsKgg_j0n7nHmnm8rD0dbaX7eQSau-hz/view?usp=sharing

HH brother

HH

real jealous of people with undying faith

@🎭🎵 We're praying for you buddy 🙏

Today I did a quick prayer and something horrible happened less than a minute later

it was a HARSH NEG

lol

Ive had believe but I never had believe in prayer

what happen

I dont want to share

erm

but pretty significant

big mood

I hope I go to confession and of course I will go to mass

@🎭🎵 Pray. No matter what happens, no matter how little you perceive happens around you. Pray. You will receive something, some how.

It is not entirely fulfilling sometimes.

I left my home that I'd lived in for the first ten years of my life, left my friends, left the lot that I grew up on, left my small house that my large family stayed in. I was ten years old, and I prayed and prayed and prayed. And at the same time nothing appeared to be happening and so I was somewhat down, and for so long, up until maybe 1-2 years ago, I was still terribly depressed but then things started changing for the better. It takes time, and it sounds dumb, but there is nothing more important to finding God again than that. Good luck.

which one

https://www.etsy.com/listing/486186045/hand-made-forged-iron-cross-pendant-4-in

https://www.etsy.com/listing/496772328/forged-cross-pendant-with-chain-necklace

@Joe the boomer The first one looks slightly cooler

i know right

ill put it on a bit of paracord when i get it

nice

I need to get one

just ordered let me get mine first and ill let you know

maybe send pics as well

thanks bro

wonder if it will get along with my thors hammer

First one.

I need a full on like crucifix.

Like one with Christ physically one it.

To have around my neck.

Or maybe a Celtic cross.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-terminal-cancer-marry-high-school-sweetheart/story?id=52613316

pray for them i will tonight

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I never undersood wearing the gaudy catholic jewerly

someone give it a quick rundown

Don't wear anything gaudy,

simply wear something

*under your clothes*

that represents your faith properly.

why

Because it represents your inseparability from your God.

It is another small gift to honor God.

In modern Christian societies, we do not make very many aesthetic choices involving our God,

this is simply a way of doing a small amount for God's sake.