https://youtu.be/8d-uB0vaoQo

You live inside the cell earth. Light bends up to a central bio acoustic resonate dipole octahedral antennae

Satan speed mein bruders

That's god in the flesh progenitor of Satan

Hope everyone is having a wondeful morning. Remember to pray the rosary!

>no cultural christians
I suspect this is an underhanded jab against catholics

Catholicism is the one true religion

I have a rough time with Catholicism. I want to be Catholic so bad, but doing so essentially spits in the face of my heritage.

it doesnt really matter so long as you periodically commune with fellow Christians

I doubt more than a couple of people can outline the actual theological differences between denominations

our enemies hate us all equally

as if we are the same

I don't have too many problems with other denominations,

but truth be told Catholicism legitimately alarms me.

The inheritance of the Holy See has been perverted and corrupted.

degeneracy is like a blanket that covers everything

that said, the church is the laity, not the clergy.

I unironically shed a tear when I truly think of the suffering of Christ.

kill the reptilian

I wish Jordan Peterson spoke more on the archetypes in Christian myth

but I figure its safer to discuss dated Disney animations that have long since lost their copyright

JBP is a kike shill, and ultimately an agnostic cunt.

except he isn't Jewish and is rather insightful. I'm not looking for theological discussions, just casual Jungian musings on the divine

I'm sure if he felt safe, he wouldn't stop.

He essentially works for the Jews. Either that or he's just that dumb.

Not he is a Jew

mistake of speech.

He simply assists them.

*radical centrism*

how so?

*How Hitler was more evil than you think*

*selling ungodly expensive autographed rugs*

*jews are just smarter than you, there's no difference in race*

its difficult to keep your tenure as a university professor if you begin lectures with GTK-RWN

plus he is politically instrumental against leftist causes

For the same reason I no longer watch Rebel Media, I now no longer watch JBP.

he campaigned strongly against the forced adoption of gender neutral pronouns

in canadian education

you dont have to like him. But he is on our side.

I can agree with you on rebel media though. they are just a safety valve for centre-right grievances

so that they never move further right

https://twitter.com/BrainsickBlaze/status/953068647307624453

@🎭🎵

Japan is godless

smh

but they are /ourgodlessguys/

@🎭🎵 they literally arent godless tho

Either way

Id rather live in trad Japan than in godless white ethnostate

Think about it

oof

esoteric take

but you arent japanese

you dont just get to choose to live wherever you want, you dip

@Ulf the principle of my statement is that Id rather live with nice brown people than disgusting white people.
Altho id prefer nice white people to nice brown people because Im white

Baron Ungern Sternberg reasoned the same way

better a buddhist mongorian than a white gommie

take the 👑pill

What do you blokes think of Calvinism

Predestination is brainlet tier

False

It is big brained tier

Nope brainlet tier

Nope big brain tier

>implying every worthless cunt deserves a place in paradise

>implying former commies should be forgiven if they now claim to be right wing

Imagine believing in a God and thinking he created shit tier people knowingly

Doesn't get more autistic than that

Like broseph said all predestination is a retarded attempt at reconciling free will with an omniscient God

Pick one.

So you don't believe in iq differences? 🤔

Do you even know what Calvinism is lmao

>imagine believing in a God and thinking he created shit tier people knowingly
>believing that every human is equal

So why would he create shit tier people then

I don't know - I'm not God.

Lmao solid argument

If you're autistic

Woah based ad hominem

Happens when someone just used "uh I'm not God" as an actual argument

Really though, you can't believe that everyone is equal but also recognise that racial iq differences exist

Why is there a distinction? Probably due to culture and environment.

Was this part of God's plan? I can't fathom to know.

Or I don't have a positive assertion to a God I should say

>doesn't believe in God
>posts in the Christian channel

Ten outta ten my dude

>can't defend Calvinism going beyond 1 layer deep

You realize any ideology that you differ with could use the exact same argument you have. I could argue for gods existence far better than you because I have read these religious texts

Ok fedora lad

So no argument for Calvinism?

Okay lets look at Christian theology

Okay

Does the Bible recognise the tribalistic nature of humanity?

I.e. that differences between groups are inherent

Yeah of course

Ok.

You're making a conclusion that requires a jump from there that you're not justifying though

Did God make humans as agents of their own free will to some extent?

Let's say yes completely given agency for the sake of the argument

God's nature by it's very definition is essentially a mystery. All we have are the remaining texts that he left to us. That is what we know him by and what we can interpret his will as.

Wait hold up I wanna hear his reasoning

Ok then. Is it the fault of God then that some humans chose to collectivise themselves into groups that are inferior than others?

Sounds like Deism almost.

The reasoning I mean.

In Calvinism *yes*

Thomas is right though - I can't make objective assertions regarding the motives of God

This is my problem with what you're saying

In Calvinism it 100% is the fault of God that people do these things. Both collectivizing and being individually immoral

It's why I don't like Calvinism

Then so be it. In your interpretation, Christians should be egalitarian and that is also quite clearly false based upon Christian theology

God obviously gave humans a certain degree of agency while at the same time outlining some form or another a means of possible, or at least plausible predestination.

No they shouldn't be because predestination is wrong, Calvinism is based on predestination and that is that

In a theological sense, one cannot exist without the other.

By extension it's wrong

No you can't have both

Contradictions can persist everywhere that our minds can't comprehend. We know of only three dimensions, but that does not exclusively mean we do not feel the effects of a fourth, or that one does not exist somewhere.

Sure but you can't make any claim that's not the same as a contradicting

Of course you can. Otherwise why would humans be moral at all? If they are ascertained to not be one of the 'chosen few' then why do they not use their autonomy to live a hedonistic lifestyle? Because one can never truly know whether one is or isn't part of said chosen few and as such it's in one's best interest to act in a moral way.

I'm saying it is outlined in our religious texts specifically, that he did give us agency, but at the same time he does have some sort of intent, a plan.

You're talking about 2 things were consider that are mutually exclusive

A type of predestination.

But exclusively believing in predestination is wrong as well.

Larp you need to look up what predestination is.

Because it would imply that a certain number of individuals were made with the intent of going directly to hell.

Okay sure a plan but that's not what you said originally Thomas

Predestination is the idea that some people all people are created and it is predestined whether or not they will ascend. This is 100% in contradiction with free will

Why are they mutually exclusive? Why are the concepts of an all knowing being having an intent for the universe, yet simultaneously giving some aspects of his creations free will mutually exclusive?

I know what predestination is - but does predestination imply that humans are mindless robots who don't have influence in how they reach their end destination?

If I have to drive from my home to my work, there are hundreds, if not thousands of possible routes I could take - the end destination will still be the same

Intent isn't what predestination says

You can't just use the word in a different sense

Predestination says the destination of the soul is predetermined.

As in you either ascend to heaven or don't.

Alright.. Then predestination is the wrong word. Then God's intent. But imagine being in control over literally every aspect of creation, and not being able to directly influence the time around it or the events which take place in it.

Yeah I agree with you when we talk about intent 100%

We were originally talking about Calvinism though that's where the discussion sprang up

I'm not a Calvinist, but if I was a Calvinist I would argue that God predetermined some peoples to be the carriers of his will, and predestined other tribes to be obstacles in the way of the chosen peoples. He created some people for the express purpose of opposing him and his people. Some people being almost like NPCs, just there to fill up space.

I'm not a Deist, nor am I a Calvinist. Mostly because I think that such concepts can in a sense be dually applied.

Yes, that makes sense.

Shinjitsu, do you think iq is an inherent thing? I.e. genetic. Or do you believe that iq is environment - based?

You're applying to religious doctrine something that does not line up with it.

Yeah Simon that's the thing though you are saying free will doesn't exist if it's predetermined whether or not they will go to heaven. Either that or they can do ANYTHING they want in life and still ascend

IQ is both but this is irrelevant

As we just said, obviously some aspects of the world are in fact predetermined. As set out by the consequences which God has laid before us.

But, he did give us free will.

Predetermined is fine

It's only to a degree though

@shinjitsu in that scenario, I would argue that free will is an illusion of the human mind, that we just simply perceive our actions as completely our own

I highly suggest you read the gay science. He goes into everything we're talking about much better than j can

Okay you could argue that but no Christians will agree with you

I tend to believe that but for the sake of the argument we assumed agency is real

I still disagree to that predestination is a total end all be all. You can have extents of predestination.

@shinjitsu I'm only arguing from a highly theoretical abstract place, don't completely believe in predetermination, nor do I believe completely in free will.

Again, though you may not agree, Shinjitsu, trying to ascertain with 100% what God's motives are is akin to trying to determine the value of infinity - it's trying to know the un-knowable

I'm not saying we can or have to know

Hence why when I said that I cannot know because I'm not God, it is completely valid

You did though, you posed the problem 'why would God make shit people'

I'm saying if you believe in Calvinism you believe that either free will doesn't exist, or that people who are going to be going to heaven can do whatever immoral thin they want and still get in

@SGL I agree, God's internal motivations can only be determined as so far as he reveals them to us

Not necessarily - both can exist to some extent. The idea being that God had created those predestined to go to heaven to be of a certain character, whereby though they have free will, they will naturally not act in a blatantly immoral way, regardless of outside pressures.

No they can't

Calvinism believes that a soul is destined for heaven or hell determined at or prior to birth

Yes but how does that dispute what I just said?

meaning you either believe
1: Free will does not exist and this person will not be immoral.
2: It does not matter if this person is immoral in life, free will can exist, but they will do whatever they want and still get in.

What you will try to do now is say that it's number 1 but the character traits of the individual are the ones that determine how they act but you can't do this

As I just said - those predestined to go to Heaven will be of a certain character, that despite the fact that they have a relative level of autonomy and freedom, they will choose to follow a more moral/righteous path. Having free will does not inherently mean that you will do whatever the fuck you want without a sense of morality.

It means that you can though

and if you can there is no way to say that this person is predestined for heaven or hell

unless the person's actions don't matter

If that's true why do people feel regret/sadness for killing others?

You misunderstand

These are non-arguments

Im saying that, since God is all-knowing, those predestined to go to heaven will be those who would act in accordance to His will regardless of whether they go to Heaven or Hell

You can't say that and still have free will

I.e. they have freedom, but choose to use said freedom to follow His doctrines

Of course you can

because it is determined *prior to their actions* whether or not they go to heaven

As I said - the idea is that God is omniscient

This is just logically false

He knows what their actions will be prior to them carrying them out

you can not give free will while remaining omniscient

Of course you can. The idea isn't that God is forcing people to act a certain way

Because if it is known what you will do, then it is predetermined what you will do, and you have no agency

no you are just flat out wrong here there isn't even an argument to make.

The idea is that God knows how people will act anyway

You are still the agent carrying out said actions

No that's wrong. This is accepted by wrong by every philosopher even religious ones

*You* are the one making the choices, not God

No it doesn't matter. If he **knows** what actions you will tkae prior to you making them. Then there is **no** way to say you could have chosen otherwise.

This is not up for debate, this is widely accepted as problem by people you probably agree with

In this scenario free will is an illusion

It's why Calvinism (specifically predestination) is wrong and where these disagreements come from

Of course there is. If God is all knowing - as described in the Bible, then He will know all possible actions you could take throughout your life - I.e. there is still a level of personal input necessary. God doesn't force people to do anything - he merely observes.

No wait

*possible actions* is not the same as saying knowing which actions the person will take

Thus it's still *your* choices, but God knows what choices you make.

Prior to you making them?

Just yes or no prior to you making them, does God know what decision you will make? In your opinion

If an entity is all knowing it will know everything - possible actions as well as what actions will be taken. God knows that humans have a level of autonomy and as such their actions are of their own volition - God, however, still knows what path the individual will take.

Again, the idea is that God is omniscient, but not necessarily interventionist in the paths of individuals

It's akin to being able to go see all possible universes at the same time

No

It's not

because the soul is predestined to heaven or hell