Mob rule.

Got it

and what does one do on a 48hr op? <:hyperthink:462282519883284480>

with no state, then what stops those hired for security from TAKING rather than TRADING?

A lot of this sorta thing i settle on is/ought.

yeah and these small communities exist within states, yes?

why pay when you have alll the guns and superior skills to fight?

and the security operates within the territory of the state?

I mean if the security companies just occupied a local community and ruled over the local populace

who's going to stop em?

and are subject to the laws enforced by the police force of the state?

the state has the authority of for security

Ought is nice, but *is*.. well.. is what we needsmust focus on.

which has conditions outside of money

@Muten lol implying the current state is accountable hahahaha

ie. outside the mechanisms of trade

the only counter I've heard to "rogue armies" and "security company occupation" is just "people wouldn't appreciate it" which means???

don't confuse theory with implementation

Plus whose going to break up the monopolies? In an Ancap society that'd be a larger problem than we have today.

you can't compare a theortical ancap society to the implementation of a rep republic

@Terry Arcona Well they are accountable to more people, less accountable in general but equally accountable to the general public

theoretical representation republic vs theoretical ancap society

so, in theory, a state SHOULD be accountable

applies in both situations

If you want a 100% free market with 0 govt monopolies will ruin the economy more than it has now.

but the mechanisms of accountablity used by a traditional state lay outside the mechanisms of trade

not so in the ancap world

so how do you prevent one from using the other as leverage?

@Muten dude who pays the securty companies? if they become corrupt no one would pay them and they would go out of business

negative

but they have guns

who needs money when you have guns

just exploit the people you occupy

like they did in the olden times

they ONLY go out of business cause the STATE prevents them from just TAKING the money

with no STATE, the security firm just ROBS the client

"I just want to be able to rob people ok"

why pay for what you can TAKE by force without opposition?

@Muten lol no they aren't, you're living in fantasy land, current states are accountable to corporations and big money lenders, they don't give a rats ass about jo smoe the little guy

^^ ah, u are breaking the rule; theory vs theory

at least we HAVE an implementation no matter how flawed

I mean god's right but you missed my point anyway

DAMN THAT'S A THICC BOI

@SageTheory government is responsible for most monopolies, hell government it self is a monopoly

well, not really.

a monopoly isn't based on the customer

government should be a monopoly of the population

it's based on the competition

everyone is part of their company

'part of' means what exactly?

The govt isn't a Monopoly lol and yes it's a problem you'd make worse under ancap

My arm has an elbow, i have an arm

government is the monopoly that EVERYONE is a part of

well

that's actually retared

well, not really

I retract that statment

lol

the gov is GIVEN a monopoly on force in exchange for agreeing to protect your rights

i.e. apply that force discriminately and fairly

I sense 56 iq people

are there ancaps around?

go away and it will rise to 100

@ManAnimal who says there wouldn't be opposition, practicaly all AnCaps I know of are armed, presumably most people would be in an AnCap society, we're talking about changeing the out look of people and raising people to be more responsible rather than the type of turds mondern public education is poping out

Now, if we argue idealistic versions (utopias).. Representative Republic wins out in my estimate.

yes, hence the error of initial criteria

Well, is the argument idealistic or realistic?

The govt doesn't control industry unless you go full socialism and that doesn't work. We live in a bastardized capitalist system where the govt intervenes in the market and ignores monopolies.

@SageTheory it's amonopoly of force yes it very much is

you are projection from our CURRENT system which ENABLED those ancaps to acquire skills, resources and discipline into your theoretical world

but take away the current paradigm and those fundamentals disappear as well

How does one train in a realistic AnCap implementation?

Ignores the ones that they choose to tho

they don't

I'll give it as something that's possible.

@Laucivol Representative Republic have failed misrably

but any theory must have clear entry criteria from a common external domain as any competing theory

i.e. people in the wilderness choose representtion democracy vs people in the wilderness choose to be ancap society

@Terry Arcona Okay, sure.. but praytell how a *realistic* ancap society would work better?

what?!

Representative Republic have failed misrably?

So just tear or down lol

yet you sit there had can express you ideas on a compute

Tear it down*

with food in your belly

and no nuclear fallout

failure?

I'll play along, but I need to be convinced why it's better than the current.

Honestly I'm still waiting on the Ancap solution to the monopoly problem.

again, projection from the current paradigm which enables entitlement into fantasy

just like the communists

So far I've only seen idealism equivalent to Marxism.

^^

Because all I've heard is that it's a problem like I didn't know.

@Laucivol that's what I've been explaining but aperently you're not paying attention

I'd agree with taht assessment

I was driving. @Terry Arcona

both simply make opposite assumptions regarding human nature

one thinks people are all alteristic and the other all rational

And the scroll up I did look at was just vitriol.