Prove the link between that

And that is more problematic

How is my porn consumption linked to displays of BDSM on the streets?

I'd say one major impact it has is the objectification of women

Well I have to disagree but I’ll have to look for studies to find out. But here is a heads up; don’t bother with abstracts, scientists will say shit in abstracts then when you look at the data it contradicts them

@snake very correct

I've learned a lot about statistical fallacies, I can spot them from a mile away

Because it’s like this, my study says pedophilia is good (THIS IS JUST a hypothetical to show case my point) I won’t put that shit in my abstract because it’s very taboo

Correct, there is research proving positive effects of child sex with adults

Lmao ok stop baiting

I'm not baiting

This is real

@snake That's a phenomena known as Regime Flavor (coined by Alt Hype)

Yep the authoritarian view of knowledge etc

You can bend almost any research in favor of any argument if you only try hard enough

Especially in less researched fields

Oh that, ok I see your point

Academia is filled with bogus science

Basically, the scientists will try to go into analysis paralysis regarding dangerous topics like Race and IQ, just to appease the dominant view

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/analysisparalysis.asp

Well I don’t want to get into a statistical debate about the effects of porn

I’ll be honest I’m not good with statistics sadly

But when you look into the data, it will point to a different direction

This is also a fault of the peer review system

Just as a general guideline: never trust new discoveries

What’s wrong with it?

@snake Returning to the previous point, do read the book I linked

https://renitenciabrasil.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Libido_Dominandi_-_Sexual_Liberation__Political_Control_-_E._Michael_Jones_2000.pdf

Sexual liberation is a form of political control

I know science is very wonky on new discoveries

The trend is that the newer the research, the more likely it is to be faulty, or for the conclusion to be incorrect

DM me it @Monstrous Moonshine

This is why leftists push for transgenderism so vehemently

See, this is what I find interesting

I side with you on the more extremist progressive viewpoints, but then you also have opinions on the harmfulness of looking at online porn

And I almost never agree with the latter

Because you're going too far in the other direction

You’re just saying you’re a centrist

Lol

No

That’s fine

A centrist would say that transgenderism should be fine

I'm severely opposed to the idea of transgenderism as it exists in modern day

important *as it exists*

There's also a simple reason as to why centrists are typically right more often

It's statistics

Depends on the time frame

When choosing between two opposite extremes, they're both likely incorrect

A centrist of 1950 would be different from a centrist of 2019

True

My point is

Ford is the complete opposite of a progressive

Yeah but that’s why I like him

(or at least he seems to be)

I bet you that Ford in the 1500's would be considered degenerate by a ton of people

@ETBrooD He might even be considered--dare I say--a SODOMITE?

Not degenerate, just a heretical pagan

Not even so unlikely tbh

That's a fallacy of moral relativism

I'm not relativizing anything

I'm saying that's what people would think

The point being that you may not be aware of where you actually stand on the spectrum

You are gauging on the assumption that values are relative to the time frame they are made in, I'm gauging on perennial values which stay constant throughout time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School

I'll let you in on a little secret on "values consistent through time"

They weren't even consistent within their own countries

@ETBrooD They're not always possible?

Not really, they have been consistent for the vast majority of people throughout history

Nope

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People couldn't even read or write back in the day

They weren't even considered worthy enough to be listened to

It is irrespective of literacy

Then my point flew right over your head. Let me explain.

Traditionalism is natural

Yeah but ford, understand that human genetics have changed throughout time

Most people were illiterate, so they couldn't pass down their views and values through time

That's false

The alt hype did the video about the European revolution

Dude

Which if true would clearly show that things change over time

People could express their values, but they couldn't tell future generations what they thought

I'm responding to the claim that illiterate people didn't pass down their beliefs @snake

The church, among other institutions, had an iron grip on that

I have a striking example to completely refute that

Oh, well illiterate people had children

They would obviously pass it on to them

Those children didn't have the same views

Unlike Ford I don't believe in the heritability of morality

Well there is the heritability of political views and temperament

Political views aren't heritable

I don’t know if that counts as morality

There is an oral tradition of ancient Aryans of India, who have preserved the Vedas, a large corpus of ancient Sanskrit hymns, for over 5000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_chant

Ok it works like this, you know the big five personality test? Those greatly influence your political values, and morality and are also heritable @ETBrooD

And they have been doing so since before they were acquainted with writing on a large scale

So it is idiotic to even suggest that illiterate people don't pass down their values

That’s why there is a world of difference between conservatives and liberals

But that doesn’t mean it’s a concrete thing, think of it as a outline to a book, environment deals the rest @ETBrooD

Same with Germanic bards and Celtic druids