My point is

Ford is the complete opposite of a progressive

Yeah but that’s why I like him

(or at least he seems to be)

I bet you that Ford in the 1500's would be considered degenerate by a ton of people

@ETBrooD He might even be considered--dare I say--a SODOMITE?

Not degenerate, just a heretical pagan

Not even so unlikely tbh

That's a fallacy of moral relativism

I'm not relativizing anything

I'm saying that's what people would think

The point being that you may not be aware of where you actually stand on the spectrum

You are gauging on the assumption that values are relative to the time frame they are made in, I'm gauging on perennial values which stay constant throughout time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School

I'll let you in on a little secret on "values consistent through time"

They weren't even consistent within their own countries

@ETBrooD They're not always possible?

Not really, they have been consistent for the vast majority of people throughout history

Nope

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People couldn't even read or write back in the day

They weren't even considered worthy enough to be listened to

It is irrespective of literacy

Then my point flew right over your head. Let me explain.

Traditionalism is natural

Yeah but ford, understand that human genetics have changed throughout time

Most people were illiterate, so they couldn't pass down their views and values through time

That's false

The alt hype did the video about the European revolution

Dude

Which if true would clearly show that things change over time

People could express their values, but they couldn't tell future generations what they thought

I'm responding to the claim that illiterate people didn't pass down their beliefs @snake

The church, among other institutions, had an iron grip on that

I have a striking example to completely refute that

Oh, well illiterate people had children

They would obviously pass it on to them

Those children didn't have the same views

Unlike Ford I don't believe in the heritability of morality

Well there is the heritability of political views and temperament

Political views aren't heritable