I'll let you in on a little secret on "values consistent through time"

They weren't even consistent within their own countries

@ETBrooD They're not always possible?

Not really, they have been consistent for the vast majority of people throughout history

Nope

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People couldn't even read or write back in the day

They weren't even considered worthy enough to be listened to

It is irrespective of literacy

Then my point flew right over your head. Let me explain.

Traditionalism is natural

Yeah but ford, understand that human genetics have changed throughout time

Most people were illiterate, so they couldn't pass down their views and values through time

That's false

The alt hype did the video about the European revolution

Dude

Which if true would clearly show that things change over time

People could express their values, but they couldn't tell future generations what they thought

I'm responding to the claim that illiterate people didn't pass down their beliefs @snake

The church, among other institutions, had an iron grip on that

I have a striking example to completely refute that

Oh, well illiterate people had children

They would obviously pass it on to them

Those children didn't have the same views

Unlike Ford I don't believe in the heritability of morality

Well there is the heritability of political views and temperament

Political views aren't heritable

I don’t know if that counts as morality

There is an oral tradition of ancient Aryans of India, who have preserved the Vedas, a large corpus of ancient Sanskrit hymns, for over 5000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_chant

Ok it works like this, you know the big five personality test? Those greatly influence your political values, and morality and are also heritable @ETBrooD

And they have been doing so since before they were acquainted with writing on a large scale

So it is idiotic to even suggest that illiterate people don't pass down their values

That’s why there is a world of difference between conservatives and liberals

But that doesn’t mean it’s a concrete thing, think of it as a outline to a book, environment deals the rest @ETBrooD

Same with Germanic bards and Celtic druids

Historical context feels in the details

I think you've still misunderstood my argument

? Maybe I did, chat has gotten a little chaotic

My argument is that we don't know which values illiterate people had, since they didn't express their values through time. They can learn chants all they want, that doesn't change the fact that they can't create a big library of personal values that would show their true diversity of thought.

So for us it is impossible to assume that they either did or didn't have diverse values.