Message from @snake
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They weren't even considered worthy enough to be listened to
It is irrespective of literacy
Then my point flew right over your head. Let me explain.
Traditionalism is natural
Yeah but ford, understand that human genetics have changed throughout time
Most people were illiterate, so they couldn't pass down their views and values through time
That's false
The alt hype did the video about the European revolution
Dude
Which if true would clearly show that things change over time
People could express their values, but they couldn't tell future generations what they thought
I'm responding to the claim that illiterate people didn't pass down their beliefs @snake
The church, among other institutions, had an iron grip on that
I have a striking example to completely refute that
Oh, well illiterate people had children
They would obviously pass it on to them
Those children didn't have the same views
Unlike Ford I don't believe in the heritability of morality
Well there is the heritability of political views and temperament
Political views aren't heritable
There is an oral tradition of ancient Aryans of India, who have preserved the Vedas, a large corpus of ancient Sanskrit hymns, for over 5000 years
Ok it works like this, you know the big five personality test? Those greatly influence your political values, and morality and are also heritable @ETBrooD
And they have been doing so since before they were acquainted with writing on a large scale
So it is idiotic to even suggest that illiterate people don't pass down their values
That’s why there is a world of difference between conservatives and liberals
But that doesn’t mean it’s a concrete thing, think of it as a outline to a book, environment deals the rest @ETBrooD
Same with Germanic bards and Celtic druids
Historical context feels in the details
I think you've still misunderstood my argument
? Maybe I did, chat has gotten a little chaotic
My argument is that we don't know which values illiterate people had, since they didn't express their values through time. They can learn chants all they want, that doesn't change the fact that they can't create a big library of personal values that would show their true diversity of thought.
So for us it is impossible to assume that they either did or didn't have diverse values.
Still wrong
Do you know how Grimms tales were made?
And what do they reflect?
No
I can vaguely remember a few of the stories
They were a collection of folklore of rural Germany, collected by the Grimm brothers
What they found was that these stories reflected many similar elements and often times contained missing links with Germanic Iron Age historical events