lmao fatty, your body has a limited amount of calories it can take before breaking completely

>how there is a minimum surplus of wealth required to make any given technological or social advancement
If there is no surplus, you stay at subsitence level, so obviously you need more for any advancement, and yes you're right, it's a feed back loop. Surplus can create new activity, as do technic. Though surplus in itself doesn't create new technics, it is merely surplus, which can be used or wasted. Technic in other hand can be created with no surplus, or very little surplus (until very recently, as productive innovation has gotten more and more expansive) and generate it's own surplus.

>My assertion was that advancement and growth feed off each other and move each other forward
it does until you reach the energy limit of your system, and then it crash

do you think that happens often

collapse? it's forever

unless you find the magic formula to prevent society from devouring itself once it reached it's limit

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

Should right wingers use antifa tactics on antifa, or should we take the high road?

optics.

I wanna

so no

KILL THE JEWS

No

YES

Protect the Jews

right now it's retarded

you'll hand the justification for getting beaten to a pulp by antifa and the cops

right now high road

later on

rwds

jin rou epic style @^^^

Optics

Look better and fight smart

screw yer optics im going in

the cerberus brigade is in power, not you, it would be EPIC though @mondobizarrro

optics are mostly a waste of time

@^^^i would totally love to be in cerberus brigade

if you want to convince normies to be right wing you need to first eliminate the existing indoctrination machine

Too be fair. The stupidity of news media becomes incredibly obvious to most normies now.

you would be surprised

most whites are too comfortable to doubt anything or anyone

that's why europe is the only place that will see a race war in our lifetimes, they're the only ones getting hardship delivered to their doorstep

agree
doing the same shit as antifa would be handing in a casus beli on all platforms that do not explicitly censor right wingers
which is complete nonsense

let alone it'd be getting down to their level,losing its position as the "most rational" or rather "least nonsensical" of the two

what does it matter how decent the far right looks if it is going to be demonized no matter what

not all of us are far right

that's your problem

they already call everyone significantly right of center a nazi and try to justify violence against us

optics are worth nothing under these circumstances

you wanna go get a criminal record?

go ahead

^^^

if you are not significantly right of center this question wasn't for you

we're not gonna win anything by lowering to their standards

you'll be used to shut down everyone right of center

your action will be entirely selfish

I'm telling you we're already shut down

it really can't get much worse

the US still has freedom of speech

ok then from that perspective we'll be only making things worse

you're taking a lot for granted

only in public do we have freedom of speech

go look at free speech in the USSR or nazi germany

or modern commie states today

it can get a lot worse

over night

high road

it's a lot better here yes but germany is not a golden standard

also there is no freedom of speech in corporations or universities or within govt agencies

anyone with right wing views is removed from most companies and universities

coming from unfairly supressed to fairly supressed because of some assholes who vandalized private property

and forget EO complaints in the public sector

companies - you're right, academia- varies, govt - you're right, but I understand why the govt would limit freedom of speech for its employees

I am right on all those counts

academia does not vary much

private property people in center-right positions defend

academia has tenure

barely relevant

almost every professor tenured or otherwise is a soft communist

and peer review in all disciplines has broken down

that's the same position antifa takes

if someone disagrees with me

then free speech doesn't matter

free speech is a noble position for a government to take

if someone is spreading evil it is not noble for individuals to leave them be

and the difference between us and antifa in that case is that we're right and they are wrong

I think we're getting far away from the point of this issue

btw, it has always been disallowed to publically criticize your superiors in the military

I don't care for your moral relitivists gotchas

jesus

you have no idea what I'm talking about with the military

I'm not a moral relativist

you don't know how heavy the EO programs are

you're being a relativist when you you're compromising on values because lefty profs disagree with you

pacifism is not a value of mine

whose value is it?

**DO YOU THINK USING ANTIFA-LIKE TACTICS (E.I PUNCHING PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU,VANADALIZE PROPERTY,ETC.) WOULD HELP THE RIGHT?**

Yes

how?

I think the cleaner method like generation identitaire does in germany is fine too

where they put up big signs and stuff

you're compromising on freedom of speech when you don't value it on the other end

that's the value you're compromising on

not pacifism

freedom of speech applies only to government you clown

no one cares about pacifism here

I'm speaking of it as a value

not as a law

as you were yourself

it is no value of mine

I value it in a nation's constitution

then why bitch that academia and corporations don't have it?

I am not

..

I don't have a problem with private censorship unless it goes against what I believe in

good luck implementing that rule

thanks

if according to you,leftists are already supressing right wingers when these are fighting them through speech, what makes you think things will be better by using violent means?

you'll be just confirming their biases

I have no issue using violence

but @ＩＶ ＬＩ Ｖ Ｓ 's strategy sucks

OK bud

have fun losing

let me know how the win goes

currently there's no way right wingers could overthrow a wester government

so I see the use of violence as counterproductive

overthrowing the gov is pure larping

also, I have no desire to do it

I like the current admin

ok then what would you use violence for?

plenty of shit

but not to get a punch in on antifa

I'm losing too much time and money doing that

^^^

and they'll crush you right away

so not worth it

lol

I propose obrital kinetic bombardment on western academia, major stock exchange, important center of administration, and Silicon Valley, it workerd last time on Sodom

the issue is

I punch some tranny in a mask

and then I'm in jail

court fees

jail time

and criminal record for life

fuck that

if that's not a lot for you to lose

then you have a problem

you then don't have enough going for you

I'd say it depends, do just punishment. If an antifa fag doxxed someone in the group, you dox him back. Eye for Eye and Tooth for Tooth. Don't go any farther than they do.

don't, because the MSM will paint right wingers who attack antifa as crazy and violent

If we are already vilified, we don't have much to lose.

the thing is, what if a right winger fucks up, and attacks an innocent, like antifa did with that jewish man

self defense and nothing more i say

This cowardice is the reason that we have lost the culture war

no system can withstand the widespread application of violence

Be violent, but don't be senseless. Plan your attacks carefully and ensure is a just use of force. If you have to strike, strike hard and efficiently, not blindly and indiscriminately.

That's why antifa fucked up, they just attack anyone at rallies, sometime they even attack their allies.

Antifa is a rabid dog in their attacks

I guess that is a distinction I should have made considering the question was about being like antifa

the only similarity I would have with them is the unabashed use of violence for political ends

No

Don’t resort to their pathetic “partisan” assault tactics

They are fine with the media when they attack

But when we attack, we will get the worst of it

Only defend yourselves from antifa, don't assault them and give them martyr status, that's what they want you to do

in fact, stage events where "antifa" members assault your people, that's what the civil rights movement did to great success

There is an SS documentary on. I love it.

If you fight Antifa in the streets, you go to jail, and they get a hand slap.

Compare what happened to the bike lock guy with the Proud Boy situation.

The Bike lock guy got probation even though he attacked multiple peaceful bystanders with a deadly weapon. The Proud Boys on the other hand are probably go to prison over a minor street brawl. The Antifa guys aren’t facing any charges as far as I know, even though they are habitually stalking and attacking the PB.

Even if you choose to use violence, which I don’t advocate for, you’d have to keep in mind the authorities are going to treat you differently.

Honestly you guys need to read more ghandi and his application of violence

its realy interesting but its very smart

Antifa can do what they do in terms of violence because they have some sort of ethic shield

the ol' "yeah they are violent but they are just beating nazis and those are the bad guys so who cares"

I'm curious, if we had the numbers to organize widespread political violence that police could not respond effectively to, would you even approve of that? Or are you just cowards to the bone.

If we had sufficient numbers, yeah

Trying to go through the "democratic" system is, in general, a waste of time, especially in the Anglosphere, due to the de jure and de facto 2 party systems in these countries

I’ll beat the fuck outta any nazi

Idgaf if it’s “ethical” or not

It’s just the right thing to do

They deserve whatever comes 2 them

native american national socialism doesnt appeal to you turd?

@ＩＶ ＬＩ Ｖ Ｓ Numbers don't matter, once you have just enough to maintain a police state while in transition you can do it. The main problem is that people divide for petty issues or minor ideological differences rather than uniting over similar ones. Also no one has the balls to start a coup or militia run takeover anymore, you could effectively with a small number of devoted and selfless men take over a country overnight. Almost everyone is too much of a pussy to do this though so alas it may never happen.

What exactly is national socialiaSm

that'd take too long to explain

What’s a good source to read on it

read a squires trial

Ifhtv

Ight*

Bet

Mein Kampf would be good

Squires Trial is meh

Not bad for a beginners book

But for an introduction to the groundworks that is only a 50ish page read is Squires Trial

I remember the leader of the American Indian movement russell means mentioning reservations are proof of socialism failing

So is it kinda like the rezs basically

I think Stanley G. payne stuff isn't too bad. it's a more academic approach to trying to know what fascism and nacional socialism is. It's always hard because the doctrine is post-hoc

Kek I technically have a Nazi tat but it was suppose to be the medicine wheel and my cuz fucked it up to be funny

Minimum numbers to maintain a police state is actually very high

continue @ＩＶ ＬＩ Ｖ Ｓ

I would say that most revolutions do not attempt to enforce any rule of law themselves

the winning strategy due to low manpower is rather to cause unrest and allow the existing state to be bled dry enforcing their own police state

eventually they can take over the seat of power and find enough resentment among the people to get support from them

But some ideologies will never have a majority unless in power

of course

that's why you must beat down the existing government and the people by bringing them to fight each other

eventually everyone finds themselves with real problems and does not care to contest you on ideology

But you also must bring in a order which the current establishment currently can't

that's how you take power in the endgame

On my chest It was suppose to be the medicine wheel

But my cuz made it look like a swastika

Lel

Is that you?

He was tryna be funny

Yea

you overthrow the central govt and order regional law enforcement to behave reasonably

I needa fix it

Are you mexican or a Indian?

Native American

Mvskoke and semvnole and cheyenne tribes

I'm sure your ancestors are proud

Thanks

I'm sure they are too

<:thanosdaddy:459545656479055873>

Yeee

They are

what did they do differently lol

Hell yea let’s overthrow the law enforcement

I hate cops

But overthrowing the central government in the states would jut leave the states as independent entities

I guess it could do that

The states are built to not have revolutions be successful

That would be dope cuz my tribes would be completely sovereign

Without the central gov

could you not operate successful revolts within the states themselves as well?

Natives don't have a good power structure though

We have our own governments and cops

taking over state and local government in just a dozen states could be enough to solidify federal power

Those revolutions would take much more though

that's why I say manpower is always an issue

always *the* issue

And there r many tribes in my area

Do you believe in accelerationism?

that word is used too much, how do you mean

Because if we were to get a Leftist government to go all centralized power it would make the time between that and extensive suppression ideal for a Right wing revolution.

I hate cops they always treat me like I’m already guilty

Like I look like I’m guilty or some shit fuck em racist ass mfs

stop being black

Usually I am guilty but how tf would they know it they just see I’m brown and assume shit

I don't think that matters so much

It is pretty much just making the other side very powerful and supporting them so that through there flaws others join your cause and rise up along with you when the previously wouldn't have.

I’m not black I’m native

you know how in hoi4 you can't start civil war unless you have <50% stability

same thing amerimutt

I think it's more like that

They just assume shit even when I’m guilty if I wasn’t guilty they’d still think I am cuz I’m brown

Fuck cops

people need to be downtrodden to facilitate an overthrow

but if the other side gets in then everyone starts to hate them joining you

?

they become downtrodden because of the other government

yeah you need to make sure the existing regime is blamed of course