(((Proletariat)))

The word leftist was symbolic to those who opposed the hegemon which included largely of democratic socialists

Keep coping

And comparing it to calling saint peter not Christian makes no sense

You're trying to posit that an actual system of analysis is as incredulous as someone being a direct anathema to their religion

Haha non monarchist leftist 😎

(((Marx)))

yes

supreme juden

The funny thing about this is if you make liberals leftists, you then make mutualists far left, when they are the biggest centrists if I have ever seen a centrist. This is absolutely nonsensical, and liberal in the sense you're using it put social democracy as further left. Which is still a capitalist system. I've drawn a diagram on this let me get it

The blue is liberals and conservatives

Yellow is social Democracy

Black is mutualism

Red is about where I am

what youre saying is that youre a god damn commie

No, I'm a monarchist

You've been typing a long type @grilomoto

i type slow

also, i'm answering something someone said yesterday...

so don't worry about it...

Lol @Deleted User

@Swiss Cheese yesterday you said that Bolsonaro confiscated anti-fascist stuff from universities... well, no he didn't, he hasn't got into office yet, and he wasn't even elected when that happened... that material was removed because it was considered political propaganda, and that's illegal during election period on public colleges (even, though is hardly ever enforced... and maybe that's one of the reasons why people freaked out, because for once they were forced to follow the law). The reason why "pro-democracy" and "anti-fascist" material (posters, banners, etc) were considered political propaganda was because the same material was, at the same time, characterizing a candidate (Bolsonaro) as anti-democratic and a fascist...

@Enigmatic★Chromatic The black circle is usually where most fascists I see score

Fascistball scores in that exact area

The tests for the compass always suck

I use it as a visual aid, not because the compass is necessarily great or that the tests are accurate in anyway

But it helps people pick up what I'm putting down

Can't believe Pocahontas got reelected

It seems like the dems won collectively... (in the congress)

Female won in NY, really nice though

Senate is more important than the house IMO

anything the house passes, the senate has to ratify, and if the republicans control it, in the end they control what is implemented

Im sorry but if the political axis is based on symbology (which changes with each interpretation) or is a combined economic and social axis then it can be horribly skewed. The axis presented of capitalism vs marxism literally means anything that is not marxist or communist ends up right wing, which makes things that are not fascist or extreme, fascist and extreme. it seems like a purposeful redefinition in order to demonize anyone who is not a communist.

Rather the axis that takes into account social and economic policies and perspectives is more accurate and fair. Additionally if we take into acount political policies we can create an interesting triangle.

Generally speaking monarchy and feudalism is strange because for example in the medieval period even though the monarch owned the land, or rather what would be considered the commonwealth, he did not "own" the means of production and neither did the nobles. They rather collected a tax from all goods produced however those goods were still in the hands of the people using them. Could it be unjustly ocnfiscated? Yes. Could the king or noble be killed for it? Yes.

Power does necessarily come with wealth, however any hirarchy will produce this. This is an inevitable result of any system that produces any hirarchy, and if there is any means of exchange at all. However someone must always own the means of production and not everyone can own the means of production, we can however only reduce how much of the means of production is owned by say any private person, however this wont solve inequality as it simply passes these means between people. Rather than limiting aqquiring the means of production it is much more reaosonable to restrict the maximum amount as well as level of extortion that such a private individual can exert over other individuals. So in some ways Marx is correct, in others completely wrong. However I can never accept a political compass that pits an ideology and everything based on that ideologies economic axis, or rather symbolic interpretation. Hell itll make almost everything capitalist and evil. Which explains why AntiFa and other communist brown shirts are so adament about punching a nazi, or killing the capitalist. (YEs AntiFa does actively try to kill people, hurt people, often innocent people. They are literally a communist terrorist org)

@Trapper Do you mean Warren? in WA again? Shes making that place into an asian mexican colony.

That's nice but I include a lot of non-marxist stuff as left wing, so you kind of made a false assumption at the start of your point which kind of disproves the rest of what you said since it's based in that assumption

I appreciate you writing all that though

Honestly I really wish Antifa was half as cool as you portray it

But antifa isn't an organization anyways so you're wrong on that bit

Ok guys this is serious

https://youtu.be/Lr1lUWxm1Ss

Ben shapiro meme reveiw

No

no

death to the jew

cunt is literally holding a __MEME__ review and people have the audacity to bring politics into this

😤

also fuck this slowmode

piece of shi

I'm immune

lmao

tbh I want a proper reason as to why slowmode is turned on

otherwise I am starting a revolution

Me too

why is slowmode on in here

turn it off! 😩

I want to yell at ni🅱🅱as without this constricting wait of 5 seconds

wot

why is slowmode enabled

filthy jew has his own show

has had it for some time too

(((fox news)))

oh. it's only for this channel

that makes sense.

but why do we need slowmode?

Probably so people like the anarchist will actually read before giving a response

^^^^^^^^

I don't read even with the 5 second wait

Anti npc measures here guys

I just complain

this shit is pissing me off

Complain and I'll make it 30 seconds

aight

fuck this 5 seconds piece of shit

just for him

everyone else gets 5s

is that even possible?

@Doctor Anon With some people it really should be 30 seconds

@The Big Oof is there a way to do that

If there is I'll do it

opression

you can set slowmode for roles, so just add a role for 30s slowmode

This is <#452955229227319306> u fag

I should be able to debate seriously in <#452955229227319306> by my own pace

not you dictatorial pace of 5 fuckign seconds

that shit is slower than a dying animal

It's 5 seconds

Are you that impatient

Jesus

yes

too bad

@Doctor Anon give me back my retiree role

I was trolling with the strasser shit yesterday

okay im back

okay, this is epic

Okay

I'm immune

@Deleted User How do i set it for roles, i created <@&509912314246594561>

is that a role

yes

just add it to someone?

right but how do i make the role slow moded

so whoever has it can only speak every 30s

because there is no option for that in role settings or channel role perms

i thought i saw someone say that you can

but googling shows no results

ig not lads

i am the smartest

@PebbЛe

i am the smartest

rip

ripperoni

I think the death penalty needs to be given to pedophiles

Firing Squads preferably

But first, let them stay a month in prison, announce to all prisonmates that that person is a pedophile.

When his ego and will is absolutely broken, then execute them

"oh but muh cruel and unusual punishment"
They deserve it.

Id rather they be castrated live, no anesthetics then sent to eventually die in a gulag

at least we get SOME benefit from them, penance for their wrongdoings

Trump sucks, change my mind.

@Enigmatic★Chromatic opinion on far right ideologies

@Koninos trump is another israeli dog

but he has chad migration policies

What do you mean exactly?

how do you view the current fascist/nationalist wave in europe/usa

I think it's been largely over stated and it's actually a lot smaller than the media portrays it. I also think it's an illogical position that attracts opportunists and other unsavory characters, even if some of the people in the movements genuinely think they're doing the right thing

what do you think of israel ?

You mean Palestine? 😎

It's a settler colonial ethno-state, it needs dismantled

ethno states are good tbh

what is so bad about em

europe needs some serious ethno cleansing

esp here on the balkans and central europe too many gypsies and they just... they spread and breed like rats too fast too many

@Enigmatic★Chromatic like an epidemic it will infect everything everywhere

Firstly I don't think the solution is "cleansing" good way to get your movement destroyed

Firstly issues like that come from poverty, Imperialism and capitalist expansion

they refuse to integreate

they don't speak our languages nor accept to carry out culture

It's not about integration

and refuse any and all work these non government and government organisations have offered them

they just breed more and more children for the social benefits

like a horde they will run us over something must be done

The case of the Romani people is something I don't know the specifics on so I cannot comment on what the solution is, but I guarantee poverty and Capitalist imperialism and expansionism played a role

Oh boy

Firstly you need to remember they're people

Secondly I don't know what group you consider as "we" and "us"

"people" these people go in bands and beat old people and people in general

they vandalise and steal everything that can be melted and sold

ethnic natives of the nations poisoned by those parasites

Sounds like propaganda to me

the situation in other nations is not as dire just us on the balkans

romania, bulgaria, greece, hungary you get the idea

I think you are having an emotional reaction and perhaps we can discuss rational and reasonable solutions to the problem after I do some research on the situation, because I guarantee ethnic cleansing is not the answer and I'm sure the Capitalists responsible are grinning from ear to ear you're blaming the Romani people instead of them

@Enigmatic★Chromatic About the ethnic cleansing that you claimed that it must happen in Europe (and especially balkans and central europe), I have to say that it's not a problem having gypsies in your country, the problem is that the vast majority of gypsies are thieves. So you just need to change these "bad habits".

(In my opinion, always)

No fuck, that was @Swiss Cheese

Wrong ping.

Also, I can't see what's wrong with having some people with different skin tone in your country.

no way to change those habits

politicians already tried numerous times

but nah man they just want to make kids like fucking they are fucking bread
and live of social benefits
fuck that

no gypsies really are that bad, its a major issue they get regularly kicked out and generally are a group of gangs that also are willing to abuse teir children, kill a few for poverty gibs. This is their culture literally, its not habits. Also on the question of skin tone. identity and loyalty, as well as never being able to truly be native and vote in the native interest. If they do its coincidence and it covers their own interest. However 99% of the time native interest is divergent from immigrant/ non native minority interest. Its a trend that goes on over and over again. Not once has assimilation worked, nor has integration actually worked.

@Enigmatic★Chromatic i mean sure any time i am online

You say that Bogumir but every European nation is built up of many racial, and previously tribal, groups that eventually formed into a relatively cohesive whole. Here is a quote about it, though in respect to what constitutes a nation: ```This community is not racial, nor is it tribal. The modern Italian nation was formed from Romans, Teutons, Etruscans, Greeks, Arabs, and so forth. The French nation was formed from Gauls, Romans, Britons, Teutons, and so on. The same must be said of the British, the Germans and others, who were formed into nations from people of diverse races and tribes.```

Eventually these groups in the examples formed into the cohesive national identities we know today

@Enigmatic★Chromatic honestly there are 100's of cases where those "evil capitalists" offered them so much yet they refused to integrate and get a job

Uhhh

They get paid next to nothing, they're exploted too

they were born into the country and got citizenship

you can't exploit them they can seek their rights unlike illegals

Sure you can

Black people are exploited in my country

oh god "exploited"

nvm the fact they got more rights than the "evil white opressor"

and so much more protection

its unreal

@Enigmatic★Chromatic plus if the majority wants them out so much ***be gone***

😩

I don't know why I bother...

wdym @Enigmatic★Chromatic black on white racism can easily go by in the usa

and you're infected by sjws that fight tooth and nail for these "poor exploited people"

also you didn't even explain how they are exploited and you go like
"why do i even bother ughhhh"

This is very clearly an emotional response

if its some wage gap bullshit just drop it there is no wage gap

Where did that come from?

where what came from ?

the wage gap myth has been busted numerous times

It had nothing to do with the conversation

you mentioned muh poor exploited blacks

He means that the wage gap is irrelevant.

dunno you brought it in

"irrelevant" no lol it doesn't even exist

I feel like we are having two very different conversations here

nvm lets go back to the original point of conversation.

Just as an FYI, in my country black people faced Jim Crowe, Red Lining, the KKK in the 60s, the US government purposefully introducing crack into black neighborhoods(this is on the CIA website), the war in drugs(admitted by the Nixon administration to attack them and anti-vietnam war protesters), police brutality, cyclical poverty, as part of red lining being forced into neighborhoods with lead paint... Hell even the Reagan assault weapons ban was a reaction to the Black Panther Party. They've never gotten a break

k i guess just don't forget i don't reside in the us so don't go like ""ughhh not worth it""

You started at me with a snarky attitude

But, I guess that isn't an excuse either

I'm not inclined to engage when met with an attitude like that

okay, sorry

Though I was just talking to someone who was really disengenuous before this, so maybe I carried some of that over here too. So I'm sorry for being dismissive

Shut up capitalists

Assuming all that is true, and 13% blacks commit around half of some of the crimes, could we say that white men are being targeted by blacks?

I need an NPC emote to react to that

Again, an answer that does not address the question. Maybe, we went to a conversation, your script does not have answer to.

The joke doesn't work when you throw it back, not even good banter... :/

> White people enslaved Blacks
Yay
> Black people killed Whites
NPC
It does not work because you are not consistent. When a drunkard calls others drunk!!!

I was writing a long thing, but I realized that responding to someone who doesn't even have the curtesy to read what I said about the situation does not deserve a response. If you cannot see why I used the NPC meme in regards to your response, then that's kind of on you at this point since you've shown a lack of willingness to engage honestly, have a good one

_I asked a simple question with a yes or no answer. You could not answer that. Lets keep in that mind. And call if off_
I love further, how you use NPC meme and then call others for no honest engagement.

I don't know what others intend, but I hereby decree, ahem, that all your questions be replied in emojis. And you cannot say that is not honest, because you set up the standard yourself. For the first time, you wills ee what consistency is like and not just class interest;)

Quite petty of you, but I mean you do you I guess

<:Virgin:476653397693562881>

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf
Btw, reference to actual stats for the discussion;)

I've seen these, you just chose to ignore what I said earlier

🥂

@Swiss Cheese These bad habits *do* can change, however it takes a lot of effort. I have seen many gypsies that are neither abusing their children nor causing problems. Rather than that, they're normal citizens. The reason they became so cruel and aggressive is because of the *lack of attention* and *racism* from the white people who did not accept them in their society (look at Romania, for example). The Past states failed providing them jobs and civilising them, and now it's even harder for the present states to fix their attitude. The solution to this problem, though, is not ethnic cleansing. Let me stress that by ethnic cleansing, in Romania for example, you will have to kick many Hungarians and Bulgarians out of your country.

And by kicking them out of our nations, and if every nation started this "ethnic cleansing" program, where would the gypsies go?

>Israel Vol 2.

Same goes with the Kurds and every other race without their own state.

While ethnic cleansing is obviously not a solution, the reasons why gypsies are like this is not because of racism. No one decided to pick on gypsies based on a lotto number

If you treat them badly, they will treat you badly.

They won't pet your head.

And why did they treat them badly? Are you sure that racists started the cycle first?

Pretty sure of that.

Do you have a proof, or it is always this way? Do the every group we hate is due to our deficiencies?

Of course and no. I am talking about the majority of these groups. I'm pretty sure, however, that the gypsy groups were not created to fuck with other races either.

So, what is the proof? Because I am surprised why someone picked gypsies but not other groups. Maybe, their name did come up in a lottery.

I got no instant proof, if you look into your history book or search furthermore about this topic, you will probably find the 'proof' that you want. I just expressed my opinion, I can't see what I need to prove right now.

What I'm trying to say is that the gypsies weren't born as thieves.

There is obviously a reason they became so aggressive.

There is no proof. If there was one you knew, you could easily cite it.
tHEY ARRIVED TO eUROPE IN 1400s. They were given status above serfs. By 1595, they already had a Prince.

So what?

What did you just prove?

Nothing.

They were classified by Europeans as above their own people.
Do you know what racism means?

I know what racism means. But what is the definition of racism for you?

Racism is the belief that one race is beneath the other race. Now, please tell me why my evidence counts less than your non evidence

I do not need to provide evidence while expressing my opinion.

So, you are just calling Europeans racist? Ok, cool.

I am saying that the gypsies became aggressive when the Europeans became racist, against them.

The gypsies slowly took their jobs, etc, which annoyed the people.

just kick out the gypsies to india

end of story

And what if India doesn't want them?

What if nobody wants them?

they look like indians

if nobody wants them then ethnic cleansing is more than justified lol

Oh okay, what a strong argument

So, you are calling Europeans racist

Let's eradicate the gypsies