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2018-08-05 17:49:43 UTC

I say this as an atheist.

2018-08-05 17:49:46 UTC

Take heart.

2018-08-05 17:49:51 UTC

here's the thing

2018-08-05 17:49:57 UTC

THEY WILL HAVE YOUR KIDS MORE THAN YOU. And they are PROFESSIONAL EDUCATORS>

2018-08-05 17:50:01 UTC

they know how ot indoctrinate

2018-08-05 17:50:06 UTC

I went to catholic school and my teachers where DemSocs and Commies

2018-08-05 17:50:12 UTC

I know

2018-08-05 17:50:17 UTC

I thought we were talking about perfect state

2018-08-05 17:50:27 UTC

Yes, Im aware of the apostate catholic state

2018-08-05 17:50:38 UTC

I think schools should be secular but that they should teach morality

2018-08-05 17:50:39 UTC

Where the pope is practicing apostasy

2018-08-05 17:50:44 UTC

Hi

2018-08-05 17:50:50 UTC

I'm an ex-sedevacantist

2018-08-05 17:50:58 UTC

I dont think separation of church and state prohibits religion *in* government. It's simply to say that church and state should not become the same entity

2018-08-05 17:51:03 UTC

^^

2018-08-05 17:51:15 UTC

You dont want an Iran

2018-08-05 17:51:18 UTC

WEll, then you have to pick an epistemological world view, Christianity is pretty good choice for European society.

2018-08-05 17:51:47 UTC

No, and we didnt HAVE Iran up until the 1970s or whenver Chuch was forced out of schools

2018-08-05 17:51:48 UTC

MUH GERMANIC PAGANISM

2018-08-05 17:51:50 UTC

it wasnt Iran

2018-08-05 17:51:57 UTC

That s an atheist wives tale

2018-08-05 17:51:59 UTC

or jew.

2018-08-05 17:52:11 UTC

Many modern people interpret separation of church and state to mean separation of religion and public life but i believe that's an oddity of our Anglo Saxon society

2018-08-05 17:52:16 UTC

Which privatizes religion

2018-08-05 17:52:23 UTC

When you have a community that is 100% chrisitan, how can the STATE tell them they cant have a school that REFLECTS that reality

2018-08-05 17:52:28 UTC

Thats not in teh constitution.

2018-08-05 17:52:30 UTC

Here's the thing

2018-08-05 17:52:32 UTC

That was jewish judges who did that

2018-08-05 17:52:35 UTC

look into it

2018-08-05 17:52:38 UTC

KRITARCHY

2018-08-05 17:52:54 UTC

American Protestantism couldn't be a state entity

2018-08-05 17:53:01 UTC

thats not the way it's structured

2018-08-05 17:53:17 UTC

Quakers, Baptists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Shakers

2018-08-05 17:53:26 UTC

All these groups couldnt lead a state

2018-08-05 17:53:33 UTC

because they are decentralized and private

2018-08-05 17:53:39 UTC

the way religion should be

2018-08-05 17:53:43 UTC
2018-08-05 17:54:25 UTC

Well it really depends on what you define religion to be. It isnt easy to separate religion from culture, especially in less modern societies

2018-08-05 17:54:41 UTC

Religion plays a huge part in culture and vice versa

2018-08-05 17:55:01 UTC

Personally I am a primitive baptist

2018-08-05 17:55:12 UTC

Yeah I assume that's why the US is going downhill

2018-08-05 17:55:21 UTC

Was it "Iran" in your Catholic school

What a shitty retort

2018-08-05 17:55:34 UTC

Wait what

2018-08-05 17:55:37 UTC

backtrack

2018-08-05 17:55:52 UTC

Religion for europeans doesn't need definition

2018-08-05 17:55:56 UTC

I am just saying you dont want an Iranian style theocracy

2018-08-05 17:55:58 UTC

It's Christianity

2018-08-05 17:56:09 UTC

No that's not what I proposed

2018-08-05 17:56:12 UTC

More specifically, Protestantism

2018-08-05 17:56:23 UTC

Monarchies had cooperation with a churchy

2018-08-05 17:56:30 UTC

It wasnt theocri

2018-08-05 17:56:33 UTC

Theocratic

2018-08-05 17:56:37 UTC

You don't want people taking orders from someone else who runs a state

2018-08-05 17:56:43 UTC

I know. But what im saying is decentralized religions could definitely lead a state if they were to first control the culture. People generally conflate religion to mean Western style religion aka Christianity.

2018-08-05 17:56:45 UTC

England has an official church now!

2018-08-05 17:57:03 UTC

It has had one for the past 1,700 years

2018-08-05 17:57:07 UTC

haha

2018-08-05 17:57:25 UTC
2018-08-05 17:59:25 UTC

You could have an ecumenical council that gives guidance to legislators and give us guidance to people on law - a christian-based ecumenical council that allows different sects to sit at the table sects of Christianity and that Christian Department would inform spiritual guidance morality guidance on those who requested it

2018-08-05 17:59:41 UTC

A spiritual FDA that gives moral and spiritual health to the nation

2018-08-05 18:00:15 UTC

In defining Christianity as the official Faith you weren't requiring people to be Christians but you are keeping that territory free of competing religions

2018-08-05 18:00:18 UTC

no

2018-08-05 18:00:33 UTC

And that is the biggest advantage

2018-08-05 18:00:36 UTC

you don't need religious authorities in government

2018-08-05 18:00:47 UTC

You need churches reinforcing western values

2018-08-05 18:00:51 UTC

Besides that bureaucratizing religion like that is gay

2018-08-05 18:00:54 UTC

not by order of the state

2018-08-05 18:01:02 UTC

I disagree I think you could be done correctly that would make things better

2018-08-05 18:01:43 UTC

And i doubt having an ecumenical counsel will actually get anything done. People have been trying for centuries to cut across sectarian lines and nothing has really been shown for it

2018-08-05 18:02:10 UTC

Council of Nicea was a disaster

2018-08-05 18:02:15 UTC

bribes

2018-08-05 18:02:21 UTC

violence

2018-08-05 18:02:26 UTC

corruption

2018-08-05 18:02:32 UTC

Within Christianity..... Not with other religions

2018-08-05 18:02:57 UTC

Look I mean you could look at examples of types of government that have failed in the past what we're talking about here is a new version keeping in mind the problems of the past

2018-08-05 18:03:03 UTC

You did say a "Christian based ecumenical counsel"

2018-08-05 18:03:12 UTC

And yeah other religions are just as fractured as Christianity

2018-08-05 18:03:14 UTC

also when you speak of bribes corruption that sort of thing that is going to happen in any system you devise you cannot devise a system that won't have bribery and Corruption

2018-08-05 18:03:20 UTC

Hinduism has thousands of sects as well

2018-08-05 18:03:32 UTC

Why care about Hinduism.

2018-08-05 18:03:42 UTC

Christian Ecumenism doesn't work well

2018-08-05 18:03:51 UTC

it has worked very few times

2018-08-05 18:04:23 UTC

the point is is there a problems we Face from perversion and some version from foreign religions and foreign moralities or even non moral systems so we have to look at that and make a decision we can't just stay in Perpetual indecision

2018-08-05 18:04:45 UTC

You need freedom of religion

2018-08-05 18:04:47 UTC

that is the essence of liberal constitutional democracy that we have now is that it is marked by Perpetual indecision and people with lack of power to actually affect any change

2018-08-05 18:04:51 UTC

but restriction of cults

2018-08-05 18:05:27 UTC

You can have freedom of religion but the territory has to have some definition and it has to be Define of the European spirituality

2018-08-05 18:05:40 UTC

The culture has simply changed. Perhaps Christianity isnt the religion the West needs anymore

2018-08-05 18:05:55 UTC

We can't have institutions of the state accommodating foreign spirituality we can't have the territory being converted and institutions of foreign religions being built within our territory

2018-08-05 18:06:18 UTC

Much in the same way Christianity supplanted Roman paganism perhaps Christianity will be supplanted by something else

2018-08-05 18:06:30 UTC

Catholicism did

2018-08-05 18:07:15 UTC

Why should we try and do that.... To what would you welcome to replace Christianity with. I think that's a rather short-sighted View.... and leads to the non view or the non value are the directionless state that we have now that is being actively subverted by people who do not have the same doubt about what their religion is that you do

2018-08-05 18:07:30 UTC

Do you think Islam or Jews or Hindus have the self-doubt about whether their religion is the right path for their people

2018-08-05 18:07:35 UTC

No they don't

2018-08-05 18:07:48 UTC

And they are here taking and convincing and minimizing Christians to their own self-doubt

2018-08-05 18:08:12 UTC

Westernized Jews and Hindus do. Religion exists to serve specific needs and the way our culture is changing these needs are being served in other ways

2018-08-05 18:08:15 UTC

It's time we be a little bit more defensive of our Traditions our culture are race and yes even or spirituality it is ours if we want to change it we can change it but we don't need it changed from without we don't need it changed by a foreign influence

2018-08-05 18:08:21 UTC

Why would you even welcome that

2018-08-05 18:08:25 UTC

Are you masochistic

2018-08-05 18:08:42 UTC

Freedom of religion is essential

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