Chow Mein

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2018-08-05 17:39:04 UTC [The Right Cafe #chat]  

Done

2018-08-05 17:50:58 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

I dont think separation of church and state prohibits religion *in* government. It's simply to say that church and state should not become the same entity

2018-08-05 17:52:11 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Many modern people interpret separation of church and state to mean separation of religion and public life but i believe that's an oddity of our Anglo Saxon society

2018-08-05 17:52:16 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Which privatizes religion

2018-08-05 17:54:25 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Well it really depends on what you define religion to be. It isnt easy to separate religion from culture, especially in less modern societies

2018-08-05 17:56:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

I know. But what im saying is decentralized religions could definitely lead a state if they were to first control the culture. People generally conflate religion to mean Western style religion aka Christianity.

2018-08-05 18:00:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Besides that bureaucratizing religion like that is gay

2018-08-05 18:01:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

And i doubt having an ecumenical counsel will actually get anything done. People have been trying for centuries to cut across sectarian lines and nothing has really been shown for it

2018-08-05 18:03:03 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

You did say a "Christian based ecumenical counsel"

2018-08-05 18:03:12 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

And yeah other religions are just as fractured as Christianity

2018-08-05 18:03:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Hinduism has thousands of sects as well

2018-08-05 18:05:40 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

The culture has simply changed. Perhaps Christianity isnt the religion the West needs anymore

2018-08-05 18:06:18 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Much in the same way Christianity supplanted Roman paganism perhaps Christianity will be supplanted by something else

2018-08-05 18:08:12 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Westernized Jews and Hindus do. Religion exists to serve specific needs and the way our culture is changing these needs are being served in other ways

2018-08-05 18:09:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

I'm saying that it is impractical to keep holding onto something that may have run its course

2018-08-05 18:10:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Christianity was once a foreign religion from the Jewish people lmao

2018-08-05 18:10:11 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

But was eventually adapted to suit the Romans

2018-08-05 18:12:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

I dont think you're understanding. I'm not even implying it is either Christianity or nothing. I'm saying that as traditionalists we should know that traditionalism doesnt advocate for the holding onto of dead or dying values. Traditionalism does very much allow us to go forward and leave the past behind but in ways that are socially necessary and organic

2018-08-05 18:13:33 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

The problem with Lockeanism is that its state of nature never existed nor could ever exist

2018-08-05 18:13:50 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Social contract theory is big gay

2018-08-05 18:15:40 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Because people dont consciously come together to set up a society. Lockeanism assumes that the state of nature is actually kind of peaceful but it isnt. Civilization exists because violence is the fundamental problem plaguing humanity. People dont "come together" and agree on things in the sense of consciously willing this. They are pretty much forced

2018-08-05 18:18:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

If we assume social contract theory then yeah the Constitution would be a social contract of some sort. There's nothing to suppose that the initial contract can't temporally spread out to be valid across generations

2018-08-05 18:22:38 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Well that's kinda the point. It's pretty unfeasible to get each new generation to verbally or consciously reaffirm the contract. People reaffirm it by inheriting, accepting, and living out its precepts. The whole point is that some violence must be done to ensure a functional society, if by violence you simply mean against one's will. But i dont accept that definition. Violence to me is conflict with ambiguity and there really is no ambiguity nor conflict when people implicitly accept the contract.

2018-08-05 18:26:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #serious]  

Brawlers will be flogged. Change my mind

2018-08-06 18:45:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I reject just war theory, so a nation can engage in military action for any reason under any circumstances

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