@εïз irma εïз

Falangism isn't left-wing.

I was making fun of some retard who thought it was left-wing.

Ah

The Falange was fascist.

Francisco Franco wasn't a Falangist, he destroyed the Falange.

If you think Franco was a fascist he's not. He destroyed fascism in Spain.

Fascist corporatism is a pretty bad economic system

The Falange was syndicalist.

right, Idk why I started talking about corporatism

You're not entirely wrong though.

The Falange was halfway between federalist syndicalism that Marxist-leaning syndicalists like the CNT-FAI would have wanted and Mussolini.

The free market is always more efficient, the only scenario I see where corporatism has utility is mobilizing the industry for national strength.

So I'm a lot more laissez-faire, I'm a dirigist.

Hitler abandoned traditional fascist economics in favor of a more practical system

Coincidentally

Nazi Germany was one of the only successful fascist states

I don't understand why people admire the likes of Franco and Mussolini

There aren't any traditional fascist economics. The goal of the fascist state is to coopt the bureaucracy and industry by incentivizing their profits with national rejuvenation.

Any fascist state that does this is engaging in "fascist economics". Corporatism is not always the logical conclusion to this.

It was a common practice

Hitler more successfully did this than Mussolini in my opinion.

well it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact

Mostly thanks to the efforts of Georing and Hansfstaengl.

Mussolini had little success after the battle for the liras

*lira

What opinion are we disagreeing on?

Nothing

I said it was a fact that Hitler had more success than Mussolini

I'm more of a Dist

Oh, that I agree with.

I think Mussolini was kind of a moron.

But all of the political theory surrounding Mussolini was better than Hitler's, and provided the foundation for Hitler.

Mussolini was a good theorist and campaigner

bad policy maker

Mussolini didn't invent fascism, Doctor Anon was right when he said Gentile did

his naval policy was especially atrocious

I did say surrounding.

oof

Anon also knows nothing about fascism.

He's a complete moron honestly when it comes to fascism.

And I've told him so.

He just happens to be right on the very trivial fact that Gentile is the central philosopher to fascism.

I don't know a lot about it either, but I think I get the core concepts

>everyone creating aircraft carriers
>Italy needs battleships!
>all Italian battleships suck at the start of WW2 by British aircraft

Fascism sees itself as transcending the left and right dichotomy because it stands in opposition to communism and nihilistic consumerism

For Italy Hegelian-Marxist thought was translated to see the "proletariat" in national terms.

With decadent bourgeois nations like France and Britain in opposition to weak countries like Italy.

Gentile was actually a Hegelian but right-Hegelianism is really perverted beyond recognition when you adopt it to fascism.

I don't think fascism can ever be left wing like some claim because of its motives

Because the original right-Hegelians were very politically orthodox. Basically Burkian conservatives.

Communists are internationalist

And seek to create a "new man"

"fascists r liburals!"

Fascism is meant to be a restoration of what once was

That's just the surface.

There's plenty of differences underneath that

Communism seeks to abolish class and private property

Fascism advocates for class collaboration

They may hate the same things up to a certain point, but you can make that argument about any two ideologies

well, perhaps not every pair

But you can with a lot that just don't make sense

You're just talking about characteristics but not the underlying ideology.

Class collaboration is used to further the creation of an organic unified society. Social conservatism protects cultural norms and strengthens the nation for the purpose of an organic unified society.

Communists do the exact opposite when it comes to social norms, or at least the initially intend do, Communism is always replaced with some form of nationalism disguised as socialism, most true in China and Vietnam, even the USSR eventually became a second Russian Empire

They initially try to erase certain history they think is harmful to the idea of socialism

Marxism-Leninism is a failure in practice, in according to Marxism.

I don't know if Stalin is to blame for that.

completely unrelated, but you brought up stalin

Little known fact

After the non-aggression pact

and while Hitler was at war with Great Britain

Stalin proposed an alliance between the Soviet Union and the Axis Powers, and offered to join Hitler in his war against the British

Obviously it didn;t go through, but there were negotiations

Finland winded up being the immediate reason it did not go through, but there were other, obvious reasons.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was basically an alliance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejuAK8y1jFs

@εïз irma εïз Well, Stalin wanted to be an "official" member of the Axis powers and fight side by side with Hitler against the British, but he was rejected obviously

Stalin thought Britain and America were going to invade Russia again.

It wasn't aggressive, it was defensive.

I know, I'm just saying

It's ironic seeing antifa flying flags of the USSR around when the two almost fought side by side. Hitler was open to it, but not for a very long time.

He always hated the Soviet Union

But was willing to consider it

And to be fair, Stalin's demands for the alliance were pretty absurd

It never would have happened

Yo

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Mussolini was a socialist u cunts

He worked for the socialist party

Worked in a socialist newspaper company

https://www.gofundme.com/im-broke-give-me-headphones-k-thx

I hope this is a joke

>nobody ever changed their political opinions ever

You can only claim Mussolini is socialist if you think corporatism is socialist.

Obviously when we say "Mussolini is X" we're referring to when he was actually leader of Italy.

He was not a socialist when he was leader of Italy.

At best a syndicalist, and only then corrupted fascist syndicalism which is indistinguishable from corporatism.

tl;dr, you're an idiot.