Message from @εïз irma εïз

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2018-08-09 16:55:29 UTC  

I said it was a fact that Hitler had more success than Mussolini

2018-08-09 16:55:53 UTC  

I'm more of a Dist

2018-08-09 16:55:59 UTC  

Oh, that I agree with.

2018-08-09 16:58:50 UTC  

I think Mussolini was kind of a moron.

2018-08-09 16:59:08 UTC  

But all of the political theory surrounding Mussolini was better than Hitler's, and provided the foundation for Hitler.

2018-08-09 16:59:30 UTC  

Mussolini was a good theorist and campaigner

2018-08-09 16:59:33 UTC  

bad policy maker

2018-08-09 16:59:55 UTC  

Mussolini didn't invent fascism, Doctor Anon was right when he said Gentile did

2018-08-09 16:59:56 UTC  

his naval policy was especially atrocious

2018-08-09 17:00:10 UTC  

I did say surrounding.

2018-08-09 17:00:14 UTC  

oof

2018-08-09 17:00:15 UTC  

Anon also knows nothing about fascism.

2018-08-09 17:00:21 UTC  

He's a complete moron honestly when it comes to fascism.

2018-08-09 17:00:24 UTC  

And I've told him so.

2018-08-09 17:00:34 UTC  

He just happens to be right on the very trivial fact that Gentile is the central philosopher to fascism.

2018-08-09 17:00:37 UTC  

I don't know a lot about it either, but I think I get the core concepts

2018-08-09 17:01:06 UTC  

>everyone creating aircraft carriers
>Italy needs battleships!
>all Italian battleships suck at the start of WW2 by British aircraft

2018-08-09 17:01:06 UTC  

Fascism sees itself as transcending the left and right dichotomy because it stands in opposition to communism and nihilistic consumerism

2018-08-09 17:01:50 UTC  

For Italy Hegelian-Marxist thought was translated to see the "proletariat" in national terms.

2018-08-09 17:02:04 UTC  

With decadent bourgeois nations like France and Britain in opposition to weak countries like Italy.

2018-08-09 17:03:23 UTC  

Gentile was actually a Hegelian but right-Hegelianism is really perverted beyond recognition when you adopt it to fascism.

2018-08-09 17:03:32 UTC  

I don't think fascism can ever be left wing like some claim because of its motives

2018-08-09 17:03:38 UTC  

Because the original right-Hegelians were very politically orthodox. Basically Burkian conservatives.

2018-08-09 17:03:38 UTC  

Communists are internationalist

2018-08-09 17:03:53 UTC  

And seek to create a "new man"

2018-08-09 17:03:57 UTC  

"fascists r liburals!"

2018-08-09 17:04:06 UTC  

Fascism is meant to be a restoration of what once was

2018-08-09 17:08:25 UTC  

That's just the surface.

2018-08-09 17:19:46 UTC  

There's plenty of differences underneath that

2018-08-09 17:20:00 UTC  

Communism seeks to abolish class and private property

2018-08-09 17:20:13 UTC  

Fascism advocates for class collaboration

2018-08-09 17:23:43 UTC  

They may hate the same things up to a certain point, but you can make that argument about any two ideologies

2018-08-09 17:24:10 UTC  

well, perhaps not every pair

2018-08-09 17:24:18 UTC  

But you can with a lot that just don't make sense

2018-08-09 17:26:16 UTC  

You're just talking about characteristics but not the underlying ideology.

2018-08-09 17:26:50 UTC  

Class collaboration is used to further the creation of an organic unified society. Social conservatism protects cultural norms and strengthens the nation for the purpose of an organic unified society.

2018-08-09 17:30:02 UTC  

Communists do the exact opposite when it comes to social norms, or at least the initially intend do, Communism is always replaced with some form of nationalism disguised as socialism, most true in China and Vietnam, even the USSR eventually became a second Russian Empire

2018-08-09 17:31:16 UTC  

They initially try to erase certain history they think is harmful to the idea of socialism

2018-08-09 17:31:22 UTC  

Marxism-Leninism is a failure in practice, in according to Marxism.

2018-08-09 17:31:28 UTC  

I don't know if Stalin is to blame for that.

2018-08-09 17:31:41 UTC  

completely unrelated, but you brought up stalin