Message from @εïз irma εïз

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2018-08-09 17:00:37 UTC  

I don't know a lot about it either, but I think I get the core concepts

2018-08-09 17:01:06 UTC  

>everyone creating aircraft carriers
>Italy needs battleships!
>all Italian battleships suck at the start of WW2 by British aircraft

2018-08-09 17:01:06 UTC  

Fascism sees itself as transcending the left and right dichotomy because it stands in opposition to communism and nihilistic consumerism

2018-08-09 17:01:50 UTC  

For Italy Hegelian-Marxist thought was translated to see the "proletariat" in national terms.

2018-08-09 17:02:04 UTC  

With decadent bourgeois nations like France and Britain in opposition to weak countries like Italy.

2018-08-09 17:03:23 UTC  

Gentile was actually a Hegelian but right-Hegelianism is really perverted beyond recognition when you adopt it to fascism.

2018-08-09 17:03:32 UTC  

I don't think fascism can ever be left wing like some claim because of its motives

2018-08-09 17:03:38 UTC  

Because the original right-Hegelians were very politically orthodox. Basically Burkian conservatives.

2018-08-09 17:03:38 UTC  

Communists are internationalist

2018-08-09 17:03:53 UTC  

And seek to create a "new man"

2018-08-09 17:03:57 UTC  

"fascists r liburals!"

2018-08-09 17:04:06 UTC  

Fascism is meant to be a restoration of what once was

2018-08-09 17:08:25 UTC  

That's just the surface.

2018-08-09 17:19:46 UTC  

There's plenty of differences underneath that

2018-08-09 17:20:00 UTC  

Communism seeks to abolish class and private property

2018-08-09 17:20:13 UTC  

Fascism advocates for class collaboration

2018-08-09 17:23:43 UTC  

They may hate the same things up to a certain point, but you can make that argument about any two ideologies

2018-08-09 17:24:10 UTC  

well, perhaps not every pair

2018-08-09 17:24:18 UTC  

But you can with a lot that just don't make sense

2018-08-09 17:26:16 UTC  

You're just talking about characteristics but not the underlying ideology.

2018-08-09 17:26:50 UTC  

Class collaboration is used to further the creation of an organic unified society. Social conservatism protects cultural norms and strengthens the nation for the purpose of an organic unified society.

2018-08-09 17:30:02 UTC  

Communists do the exact opposite when it comes to social norms, or at least the initially intend do, Communism is always replaced with some form of nationalism disguised as socialism, most true in China and Vietnam, even the USSR eventually became a second Russian Empire

2018-08-09 17:31:16 UTC  

They initially try to erase certain history they think is harmful to the idea of socialism

2018-08-09 17:31:22 UTC  

Marxism-Leninism is a failure in practice, in according to Marxism.

2018-08-09 17:31:28 UTC  

I don't know if Stalin is to blame for that.

2018-08-09 17:31:41 UTC  

completely unrelated, but you brought up stalin

2018-08-09 17:31:43 UTC  

Little known fact

2018-08-09 17:31:52 UTC  

After the non-aggression pact

2018-08-09 17:32:02 UTC  

and while Hitler was at war with Great Britain

2018-08-09 17:32:26 UTC  

Stalin proposed an alliance between the Soviet Union and the Axis Powers, and offered to join Hitler in his war against the British

2018-08-09 17:33:26 UTC  

Obviously it didn;t go through, but there were negotiations

2018-08-09 17:33:50 UTC  

Finland winded up being the immediate reason it did not go through, but there were other, obvious reasons.

2018-08-09 17:40:52 UTC  

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was basically an alliance.

2018-08-09 18:18:12 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз Well, Stalin wanted to be an "official" member of the Axis powers and fight side by side with Hitler against the British, but he was rejected obviously

2018-08-09 18:21:41 UTC  

Stalin thought Britain and America were going to invade Russia again.

2018-08-09 18:21:51 UTC  

It wasn't aggressive, it was defensive.

2018-08-09 18:21:59 UTC  

I know, I'm just saying

2018-08-09 18:22:32 UTC  

It's ironic seeing antifa flying flags of the USSR around when the two almost fought side by side. Hitler was open to it, but not for a very long time.

2018-08-09 18:22:43 UTC  

He always hated the Soviet Union

2018-08-09 18:23:04 UTC  

But was willing to consider it