Message from @εïз irma εïз
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I don't know a lot about it either, but I think I get the core concepts
>everyone creating aircraft carriers
>Italy needs battleships!
>all Italian battleships suck at the start of WW2 by British aircraft
Fascism sees itself as transcending the left and right dichotomy because it stands in opposition to communism and nihilistic consumerism
For Italy Hegelian-Marxist thought was translated to see the "proletariat" in national terms.
With decadent bourgeois nations like France and Britain in opposition to weak countries like Italy.
Gentile was actually a Hegelian but right-Hegelianism is really perverted beyond recognition when you adopt it to fascism.
I don't think fascism can ever be left wing like some claim because of its motives
Because the original right-Hegelians were very politically orthodox. Basically Burkian conservatives.
Communists are internationalist
And seek to create a "new man"
"fascists r liburals!"
Fascism is meant to be a restoration of what once was
That's just the surface.
There's plenty of differences underneath that
Communism seeks to abolish class and private property
Fascism advocates for class collaboration
They may hate the same things up to a certain point, but you can make that argument about any two ideologies
well, perhaps not every pair
But you can with a lot that just don't make sense
You're just talking about characteristics but not the underlying ideology.
Class collaboration is used to further the creation of an organic unified society. Social conservatism protects cultural norms and strengthens the nation for the purpose of an organic unified society.
Communists do the exact opposite when it comes to social norms, or at least the initially intend do, Communism is always replaced with some form of nationalism disguised as socialism, most true in China and Vietnam, even the USSR eventually became a second Russian Empire
They initially try to erase certain history they think is harmful to the idea of socialism
Marxism-Leninism is a failure in practice, in according to Marxism.
I don't know if Stalin is to blame for that.
completely unrelated, but you brought up stalin
Little known fact
After the non-aggression pact
and while Hitler was at war with Great Britain
Stalin proposed an alliance between the Soviet Union and the Axis Powers, and offered to join Hitler in his war against the British
Obviously it didn;t go through, but there were negotiations
Finland winded up being the immediate reason it did not go through, but there were other, obvious reasons.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was basically an alliance.
@εïз irma εïз Well, Stalin wanted to be an "official" member of the Axis powers and fight side by side with Hitler against the British, but he was rejected obviously
Stalin thought Britain and America were going to invade Russia again.
It wasn't aggressive, it was defensive.
I know, I'm just saying
It's ironic seeing antifa flying flags of the USSR around when the two almost fought side by side. Hitler was open to it, but not for a very long time.
He always hated the Soviet Union
But was willing to consider it