And practical

When implemented right

It's just human nature, there is a fundemental differance between man and woman. This differance manifests itself in the roles of men and women.

Sexism is basically acknowledging those differences and acting accordingly

Like only letting men in the military

Preferring women as early childhood educators

i mean if someone is able to do something and wants to do it then why shouldn’t they be allowed to

I still like to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes and acknowledge individual differences within the sexes, but most often it turns out my instincts were right

Sexism is, in the end, first and foremost derived from values. If you value equality then it would be a bad thing, however, if your values are derived from God and tradition, you see no problem in it.

I value truth

Values do not come from logic, and what is logical depends on our values.

So, how do you find out what your values are if not from observation and evidence?

If you think of MGTOW as a boycott until things improve, it's smart. If you think it's a permanent thing then you're delusional.

You can still argue for your own values, after all, most people don't realize values are not derived from logic. Values really come from your family, your culture and, hopefully, God.

my values aren't really from any of those that i can think of personally

If you value equality, you will see the differances of man and woman as a bad thing. If you value inequality, you will see it as a good thing. Both of these perspectives are equally logical, they both recognize the truth of the differance. However, they view it in different ways.

@ham addition Ideaologies can also have a value system.

that's true

i take my personal values more from my ideology than family, culture, or religion

but honestly it's mostly bc i don't believe my culture has any values in particular tied to it and i'm not religious

I derive my values from tradition. Why? Because I want to. You can list a bunch of things that you think are good with doing that, but, in the end, what you think is good is based on your values.

yeah

anyway about the original question

what would you mean by sexism

Well, I have reappropriated the word "sexism".

I don't mean that I hate women by it, but most of the things that are now seen as sexist, I see as good.

what sort of things would you mean by that

Not allowing women as rulers, for example.

how would that be an issue though

What do you mean?

women being rulers

That is not their role, it is not appropriate for them to be rulers.

i mean, some countries' arguably greatest leaders have been women

e.g. elizabeth i/victoria, catherine the great, maria theresa, indira gandhi, margaret thatcher, cleopatra, etc

you might disagree with a few of them, i know i certainly don't agree with thatcher, but you can't deny at least that they were good leaders

Take note on how most of those examples were monarchs.

They were born and bread to rule. Of course they would be atleast somewhat compitent even if they were women.

This does not change the fact that governance is not appropriate for women.

why isn't it appropriate for them though

what is it about being a woman that somehow makes you inherently worse in the exact same role as a man

It's not that they are worse as rulers, although most are, it is that it isn't approptiate.

And this comes from values

alright, then why is it not appropriate

and from my point of view i haven't seen female rulers doing any worse of a job than male ones so i'm not sure where you're getting that from

It isn't appropriate because my values say so. It doesn't make any sense trying to explain it after that.

It is so because it is.

well you're right about it not making any sense because i am thoroughly confuzzled

Like how peadophilia is wrong because it is. Not because children can't consent, they can, but because it simply is.

are you comparing women being rulers to pedophilia

i don't think those are remotely comparable

It is the same principle. Peadophilia is bad, so is female rulers (not to the same degree of course). Why are these two things bad? Well, they just are.

also i didn't notice where you said that children can consent at first but yikes

and there's an actual reason for pedophilia being bad, that being that children can't consent and express that they don't want sex

Most of the times doing such acts hurts the child, but not always. Yet, I still believe it is wrong.

whereas there is not an equivalent for women being rulers

that is like comparing murder and jaywalking

I'm definetly not saying the two are in any way equally bad.

Obviously, peadophilia is worse.

But why is it bad?

Children can consent. But I think it is still horrible.

It is a very dangerous mindset to have, because the only thing you have to do to make you belive peadophilia is moral is to convince you children can consent.

I, however, will still think it is horrible.

alright but all you've actually provided to say that women being rulers is bad is that it goes against your values without any other reasoning

nobody is hurt or disadvantaged by it, so what is the issue

Alright

To truely argue for my case we have to delve deep into the value systems we both hold.

your values don't just come out of nowhere, you have to decide on why you hold them yourself

the rationale behind child labor laws and laws against pedophilia is that children are not capable of completely understanding the situation

Of course, it is a little bit more complicated then just deciding what morals to have because we humans have a built-in sense of morality, although that can be eroded. We have a whole feild to discuss such things, Ethics.

In any case, why would it make sense just to decide what is moral or not based on weather it hurts other people?

well this has been a fun time but i would like to play rollercoaster tycoon 2 now so bye

Alright

Good bye

Pedophilia is fucking abhorrent, I object to it on emotional grounds primarily and I will defend that to death

Yes, exactly.

👆

I'm normally all about logic and science and sheiz, but if a study comes out saying that pedophilia is actually good for children I will literally become a denier of science in order to keep any children I have safe from that crap

Well I mean, it is logical

You can't decide what is good or what is bad using science

That’s why Philosophy is still important 😃

@सासोलॊपै if that is the way you feel about that server then I will treat you too with the contempt you deserve

@Deleted User you were right it's just shitposts oof

Yup

Sadly the good NatSoc servers are very paranoid

And my reputation as a shitposter prevents me from getting vetted

otter...i've seen you in philosophy and politics

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Yes; I am notorious

But i am only here to put @εïз irma εïз in her place

She needs a good spanking

That's repulsive.

@Deleted User wtf are you going on about

But for real, this Trump bitch is going on and on arguing with me about why denying reality isn't weak (my claim being that it was). I mean, im fine with trump, but... defensive much? I feel like she gets told she denies reality a lot in order for her to have such an aversive reaction to my comment. Typically by liberals, probably, which she's probably assuming i am based on what I'm subscribed to.

Who’s “this trump bitch “

oh

Someone from this dumbfuck site called Reddit

reddit wow

@ᗪㄖㄖ乃ㄚᐯ I like your name.

thanks fam

Seconded