Message from @Vilhelmsson
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I don't mean that I hate women by it, but most of the things that are now seen as sexist, I see as good.
what sort of things would you mean by that
Not allowing women as rulers, for example.
how would that be an issue though
What do you mean?
women being rulers
That is not their role, it is not appropriate for them to be rulers.
i mean, some countries' arguably greatest leaders have been women
e.g. elizabeth i/victoria, catherine the great, maria theresa, indira gandhi, margaret thatcher, cleopatra, etc
you might disagree with a few of them, i know i certainly don't agree with thatcher, but you can't deny at least that they were good leaders
Take note on how most of those examples were monarchs.
They were born and bread to rule. Of course they would be atleast somewhat compitent even if they were women.
This does not change the fact that governance is not appropriate for women.
why isn't it appropriate for them though
what is it about being a woman that somehow makes you inherently worse in the exact same role as a man
It's not that they are worse as rulers, although most are, it is that it isn't approptiate.
And this comes from values
alright, then why is it not appropriate
and from my point of view i haven't seen female rulers doing any worse of a job than male ones so i'm not sure where you're getting that from
It isn't appropriate because my values say so. It doesn't make any sense trying to explain it after that.
well you're right about it not making any sense because i am thoroughly confuzzled
Like how peadophilia is wrong because it is. Not because children can't consent, they can, but because it simply is.
are you comparing women being rulers to pedophilia
i don't think those are remotely comparable
It is the same principle. Peadophilia is bad, so is female rulers (not to the same degree of course). Why are these two things bad? Well, they just are.
also i didn't notice where you said that children can consent at first but yikes
and there's an actual reason for pedophilia being bad, that being that children can't consent and express that they don't want sex
Most of the times doing such acts hurts the child, but not always. Yet, I still believe it is wrong.
whereas there is not an equivalent for women being rulers
that is like comparing murder and jaywalking
I'm definetly not saying the two are in any way equally bad.
Obviously, peadophilia is worse.
But why is it bad?
Children can consent. But I think it is still horrible.
It is a very dangerous mindset to have, because the only thing you have to do to make you belive peadophilia is moral is to convince you children can consent.
I, however, will still think it is horrible.
alright but all you've actually provided to say that women being rulers is bad is that it goes against your values without any other reasoning
nobody is hurt or disadvantaged by it, so what is the issue
Alright
To truely argue for my case we have to delve deep into the value systems we both hold.