Message from @ham addition

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2018-09-02 11:48:01 UTC  

you might disagree with a few of them, i know i certainly don't agree with thatcher, but you can't deny at least that they were good leaders

2018-09-02 11:54:22 UTC  

Take note on how most of those examples were monarchs.

2018-09-02 11:55:06 UTC  

They were born and bread to rule. Of course they would be atleast somewhat compitent even if they were women.

2018-09-02 11:56:02 UTC  

This does not change the fact that governance is not appropriate for women.

2018-09-02 11:58:33 UTC  

why isn't it appropriate for them though

2018-09-02 11:59:35 UTC  

what is it about being a woman that somehow makes you inherently worse in the exact same role as a man

2018-09-02 12:00:43 UTC  

It's not that they are worse as rulers, although most are, it is that it isn't approptiate.

2018-09-02 12:00:55 UTC  

And this comes from values

2018-09-02 12:02:32 UTC  

alright, then why is it not appropriate

2018-09-02 12:03:22 UTC  

and from my point of view i haven't seen female rulers doing any worse of a job than male ones so i'm not sure where you're getting that from

2018-09-02 12:04:42 UTC  

It isn't appropriate because my values say so. It doesn't make any sense trying to explain it after that.

2018-09-02 12:05:15 UTC  

It is so because it is.

2018-09-02 12:05:37 UTC  

well you're right about it not making any sense because i am thoroughly confuzzled

2018-09-02 12:05:56 UTC  

Like how peadophilia is wrong because it is. Not because children can't consent, they can, but because it simply is.

2018-09-02 12:06:31 UTC  

are you comparing women being rulers to pedophilia

2018-09-02 12:06:41 UTC  

i don't think those are remotely comparable

2018-09-02 12:07:39 UTC  

It is the same principle. Peadophilia is bad, so is female rulers (not to the same degree of course). Why are these two things bad? Well, they just are.

2018-09-02 12:08:34 UTC  

also i didn't notice where you said that children can consent at first but yikes

2018-09-02 12:09:40 UTC  

and there's an actual reason for pedophilia being bad, that being that children can't consent and express that they don't want sex

2018-09-02 12:09:47 UTC  

Most of the times doing such acts hurts the child, but not always. Yet, I still believe it is wrong.

2018-09-02 12:09:50 UTC  

whereas there is not an equivalent for women being rulers

2018-09-02 12:10:21 UTC  

that is like comparing murder and jaywalking

2018-09-02 12:10:51 UTC  

I'm definetly not saying the two are in any way equally bad.

2018-09-02 12:11:08 UTC  

Obviously, peadophilia is worse.

2018-09-02 12:11:15 UTC  

But why is it bad?

2018-09-02 12:11:36 UTC  

Children can consent. But I think it is still horrible.

2018-09-02 12:12:24 UTC  

It is a very dangerous mindset to have, because the only thing you have to do to make you belive peadophilia is moral is to convince you children can consent.

2018-09-02 12:12:36 UTC  

I, however, will still think it is horrible.

2018-09-02 12:13:02 UTC  

alright but all you've actually provided to say that women being rulers is bad is that it goes against your values without any other reasoning

2018-09-02 12:13:18 UTC  

nobody is hurt or disadvantaged by it, so what is the issue

2018-09-02 12:13:26 UTC  

Alright

2018-09-02 12:13:54 UTC  

To truely argue for my case we have to delve deep into the value systems we both hold.

2018-09-02 12:13:55 UTC  

your values don't just come out of nowhere, you have to decide on why you hold them yourself

2018-09-02 12:15:37 UTC  

the rationale behind child labor laws and laws against pedophilia is that children are not capable of completely understanding the situation

2018-09-02 12:15:40 UTC  

Of course, it is a little bit more complicated then just deciding what morals to have because we humans have a built-in sense of morality, although that can be eroded. We have a whole feild to discuss such things, Ethics.

2018-09-02 12:16:27 UTC  

In any case, why would it make sense just to decide what is moral or not based on weather it hurts other people?

2018-09-02 12:17:26 UTC  

well this has been a fun time but i would like to play rollercoaster tycoon 2 now so bye

2018-09-02 12:17:33 UTC  

Alright

2018-09-02 12:17:38 UTC  

Good bye

2018-09-02 12:19:32 UTC  

Pedophilia is fucking abhorrent, I object to it on emotional grounds primarily and I will defend that to death

2018-09-02 12:20:34 UTC  

Yes, exactly.