you might disagree with a few of them, i know i certainly don't agree with thatcher, but you can't deny at least that they were good leaders

Take note on how most of those examples were monarchs.

They were born and bread to rule. Of course they would be atleast somewhat compitent even if they were women.

This does not change the fact that governance is not appropriate for women.

why isn't it appropriate for them though

what is it about being a woman that somehow makes you inherently worse in the exact same role as a man

It's not that they are worse as rulers, although most are, it is that it isn't approptiate.

And this comes from values

alright, then why is it not appropriate

and from my point of view i haven't seen female rulers doing any worse of a job than male ones so i'm not sure where you're getting that from

It isn't appropriate because my values say so. It doesn't make any sense trying to explain it after that.

It is so because it is.

well you're right about it not making any sense because i am thoroughly confuzzled

Like how peadophilia is wrong because it is. Not because children can't consent, they can, but because it simply is.

are you comparing women being rulers to pedophilia

i don't think those are remotely comparable

It is the same principle. Peadophilia is bad, so is female rulers (not to the same degree of course). Why are these two things bad? Well, they just are.

also i didn't notice where you said that children can consent at first but yikes

and there's an actual reason for pedophilia being bad, that being that children can't consent and express that they don't want sex

Most of the times doing such acts hurts the child, but not always. Yet, I still believe it is wrong.

whereas there is not an equivalent for women being rulers

that is like comparing murder and jaywalking

I'm definetly not saying the two are in any way equally bad.

Obviously, peadophilia is worse.

But why is it bad?

Children can consent. But I think it is still horrible.

It is a very dangerous mindset to have, because the only thing you have to do to make you belive peadophilia is moral is to convince you children can consent.

I, however, will still think it is horrible.

alright but all you've actually provided to say that women being rulers is bad is that it goes against your values without any other reasoning

nobody is hurt or disadvantaged by it, so what is the issue

Alright

To truely argue for my case we have to delve deep into the value systems we both hold.

your values don't just come out of nowhere, you have to decide on why you hold them yourself

the rationale behind child labor laws and laws against pedophilia is that children are not capable of completely understanding the situation

Of course, it is a little bit more complicated then just deciding what morals to have because we humans have a built-in sense of morality, although that can be eroded. We have a whole feild to discuss such things, Ethics.

In any case, why would it make sense just to decide what is moral or not based on weather it hurts other people?

well this has been a fun time but i would like to play rollercoaster tycoon 2 now so bye

Alright

Good bye

Pedophilia is fucking abhorrent, I object to it on emotional grounds primarily and I will defend that to death

Yes, exactly.