Message from @ham addition

Discord ID: 485781781539192832


2018-09-02 11:34:46 UTC  

what would you mean by sexism

2018-09-02 11:36:19 UTC  

Well, I have reappropriated the word "sexism".

2018-09-02 11:36:49 UTC  

I don't mean that I hate women by it, but most of the things that are now seen as sexist, I see as good.

2018-09-02 11:37:17 UTC  

what sort of things would you mean by that

2018-09-02 11:39:17 UTC  

Not allowing women as rulers, for example.

2018-09-02 11:39:34 UTC  

how would that be an issue though

2018-09-02 11:39:51 UTC  

What do you mean?

2018-09-02 11:39:57 UTC  

women being rulers

2018-09-02 11:40:28 UTC  

That is not their role, it is not appropriate for them to be rulers.

2018-09-02 11:43:02 UTC  

i mean, some countries' arguably greatest leaders have been women

2018-09-02 11:47:23 UTC  

e.g. elizabeth i/victoria, catherine the great, maria theresa, indira gandhi, margaret thatcher, cleopatra, etc

2018-09-02 11:48:01 UTC  

you might disagree with a few of them, i know i certainly don't agree with thatcher, but you can't deny at least that they were good leaders

2018-09-02 11:54:22 UTC  

Take note on how most of those examples were monarchs.

2018-09-02 11:55:06 UTC  

They were born and bread to rule. Of course they would be atleast somewhat compitent even if they were women.

2018-09-02 11:56:02 UTC  

This does not change the fact that governance is not appropriate for women.

2018-09-02 11:58:33 UTC  

why isn't it appropriate for them though

2018-09-02 11:59:35 UTC  

what is it about being a woman that somehow makes you inherently worse in the exact same role as a man

2018-09-02 12:00:43 UTC  

It's not that they are worse as rulers, although most are, it is that it isn't approptiate.

2018-09-02 12:00:55 UTC  

And this comes from values

2018-09-02 12:02:32 UTC  

alright, then why is it not appropriate

2018-09-02 12:03:22 UTC  

and from my point of view i haven't seen female rulers doing any worse of a job than male ones so i'm not sure where you're getting that from

2018-09-02 12:04:42 UTC  

It isn't appropriate because my values say so. It doesn't make any sense trying to explain it after that.

2018-09-02 12:05:15 UTC  

It is so because it is.

2018-09-02 12:05:37 UTC  

well you're right about it not making any sense because i am thoroughly confuzzled

2018-09-02 12:05:56 UTC  

Like how peadophilia is wrong because it is. Not because children can't consent, they can, but because it simply is.

2018-09-02 12:06:31 UTC  

are you comparing women being rulers to pedophilia

2018-09-02 12:06:41 UTC  

i don't think those are remotely comparable

2018-09-02 12:07:39 UTC  

It is the same principle. Peadophilia is bad, so is female rulers (not to the same degree of course). Why are these two things bad? Well, they just are.

2018-09-02 12:08:34 UTC  

also i didn't notice where you said that children can consent at first but yikes

2018-09-02 12:09:40 UTC  

and there's an actual reason for pedophilia being bad, that being that children can't consent and express that they don't want sex

2018-09-02 12:09:47 UTC  

Most of the times doing such acts hurts the child, but not always. Yet, I still believe it is wrong.

2018-09-02 12:09:50 UTC  

whereas there is not an equivalent for women being rulers

2018-09-02 12:10:21 UTC  

that is like comparing murder and jaywalking

2018-09-02 12:10:51 UTC  

I'm definetly not saying the two are in any way equally bad.

2018-09-02 12:11:08 UTC  

Obviously, peadophilia is worse.

2018-09-02 12:11:15 UTC  

But why is it bad?

2018-09-02 12:11:36 UTC  

Children can consent. But I think it is still horrible.

2018-09-02 12:12:24 UTC  

It is a very dangerous mindset to have, because the only thing you have to do to make you belive peadophilia is moral is to convince you children can consent.

2018-09-02 12:12:36 UTC  

I, however, will still think it is horrible.

2018-09-02 12:13:02 UTC  

alright but all you've actually provided to say that women being rulers is bad is that it goes against your values without any other reasoning

2018-09-02 12:13:18 UTC  

nobody is hurt or disadvantaged by it, so what is the issue