im off for now

assuming google isn’t lying

When germans outnumbered them at the start of the war

will look forward to bashing the reds later

cya

**At the start**

And the Soviets were pushed back

@Mitch heil wotan, only in pretend mode, can't actually think the gods are real now can we

yeah i gotta hop off too, got an early-morning appointment at the oral surgeon

@Perpetual Moral Imbalance google doesn't necessarily lie but google can change what sites show and sites can lie

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 They were so ill-equipped that they ended up with a surplus.

Yeah dude im a pagan but the gods arent actually real XD

a surplus of what? @Deleted User

surplus of outdated equiptment?

it's not atheism btw because i'm so spiritual

also just so we’re clear

@Grugochet Munitions

Human wave is literally one of the only tactics they use besides burning their farmlands

atheists arent spiritual like me

lol

REFORMED GERMANIC FAITH BEST FAITH

PRAISE ODIN

VALHALLA

they had a surplus of munitions therefore they were not underequipped

i will sacrifice commies at the next holy blot >3

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Had a surplus of munitions but it enough guns to put it in

@Grugochet Oh, did they just manufacture weaponry only for it to collect dust? I didn't know that, my bad.

@GermanEastAfrica You do realize that munitions refers to guns as well, right? Lmao

i fail to see how one can be underequipped and have a surplus at the same time

🤷

@Perpetual Moral Imbalance The point is that they weren't underequipped. At least not for much of the war, anyway.

um what

"Nazi propaganda nurtured the image of Germans fighting against “innumerable masses from the East”, but this is just a racist propaganda. In actual fact, the war on the Eastern Front in 1941 was characterised by a Soviet inferiority in pure numbers. On 22 June 1941, the four Soviet western military districts between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea had 2.3 million men, opposed to nearly 4.5 million Axis troops. The Wehrmacht had amassed 3.35 million troops. To this the Romanian army contributed 600,000, and in the north, Finland had already mobilised its army and could muster 530,000 men.

When the Red Army counter-attacked at Moscow in December 1941, the Soviet numerical inferiority was even larger. Soviet strength returns in archives show that on 1 December 1941, the Soviets were able to muster 576,500 soldiers and 574 tanks against German Army Group Centre – which at the time had between 1.9 and 1.2 million troops with 1,800 tanks and assault guns. The Germans not only enjoyed a three-fold numerical superiority in tanks, but of the Soviet tanks employed against them at Moscow, only around 30 per cent were T-34s or KVs, with the remainder being completely obsolete tankettes.

As the war continued, the Germans gradually lost their numerical superiority – which reflects the greater Soviet industrial capacity – but their most brilliant victories in 1941 were achieved with a convincing numerical superiority."

Do you know what underequipped means?

@Grugochet Yeah, do you?

you seem to think that giving someone a gun means they're fully equipped

Yes the ussr used human wave tactics when they had a smaller force

lol

Karde I think you might actually be brain dead

@Grugochet No, that isn't what I think. I believe having all the necessary munitions with which to wage war is what being "fully-equipped" means.

They only had numerical supremacy really in 1943 when germans were in near full retreat

what does that even mean?

Which means they didnt need to use human wave tactics then wtf

i have seem to hit a dead end

All hail the German tanks the Panzer reigns supreme

i need an account to view where the source comes from

the necessary munitions to wage war?

its from some university

Oof

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=acls;cc=acls;view=toc;idno=heb00967.0001.001

you can have men underequipped and still have the necessary munitions to wage war

The Germans knew how to make great tanks

that was one of the causes of the germans downfall is they made to many tank designs

it cost to much to upkeep

They should have kept with the current designs due to the fact it worked so well

another reason is the generals tended to disobey hitlers orders and a aura of distrust and shit

@GermanEastAfrica Actually, the Tiger II was superior to the Panzer.

didn't help that a few surprise attacks happened and the morale of the german army was low from the cold of russia

Like i think the germans got encircled from the soviets i forget what battle it was

I know, the Panzer just came to mind first @Deleted User

Stalingrad?

that might be it

anyways a lot surrendered cause of it

Wtf another barbarosa myth

The Soviet tanks were technically inferior, but there was a lot of them so it kind of neutralized the field

Stalingrad was caused due to Hitler moving the tank divisions down to the Caucasus to secure oil.

And thus the infantry didn't have tank support.

So they got encircled.

And then fucked.

i dont think the germans would of won even if they had coats to protect from the cold

Kind of like a Sparta vs Persia deal

not to say the soviets where good at war or what ever

it's just the circumstances where not good for germany

I think they could have, the German army was superior at the time, the main saving grace of the Soviets was the weather

they where under supplied

Artic cold also thwatedthe soviets

Stalingrad, November 22, 1942. Red Army trapped around 250k Germans on the Don River.

But in fact, the Germans were able to ward off the Soviet attacks during these incredibly low temperature days. On 6 December, in a record minus 38 degrees below zero, German 9th Army counter-attacked at Kalinin with heavy support from Panzergruppe 3 [Panzer Group 3, a tank army consisting of several corps] and pushed back Soviet 31st Army across River Volga again. In the process, Soviet 250th Rifle Division was completely routed and had to be withdrawn from combat.

Between 5 and 7 December, the German High Command reported that the Soviet attacks in general were warded off.  “We failed during the first days,” admitted Zhukov, the most acclaimed Soviet military commander of the Second World War.

the main issues with the germans was lack of oil

@Злой и славянский u failed

yeah, and overstretched supply lines

That and the straight up Isis level dedication of the Soviet soldiers

didn't help italy was dog shit at war

the red army does not get enough credit though, they were an effective fighting force

the Spaniards had some good soldiers actually

An issue was also the blitz, the Germans didn't target our factories, but instead targeted the runways.

I feel like the Axis would have been better off without he Italians

And thus when the initial planes were destroyed, more could be made.

i know a lot of people think spain joining the war would of killed spain

but i think it would of turned the tide of the war honestly

In general, overconfidence and lack of planning was what screwed over he Germans in he Soviet Union

the blue division was really good at fighting plus one of the allies supply line would of been cut off

Tbh stalin suggested a surprise war in 1938 to the allies and asked for permission through poland

Poland refused

And so did the allies

sauce?

Poland is god tier country honestly

What if tgey had gone through and caught Germany in that scenatio?

i dont think germany would of been prepared