Stalingrad?

that might be it

anyways a lot surrendered cause of it

Wtf another barbarosa myth

The Soviet tanks were technically inferior, but there was a lot of them so it kind of neutralized the field

Stalingrad was caused due to Hitler moving the tank divisions down to the Caucasus to secure oil.

And thus the infantry didn't have tank support.

So they got encircled.

And then fucked.

i dont think the germans would of won even if they had coats to protect from the cold

Kind of like a Sparta vs Persia deal

not to say the soviets where good at war or what ever

it's just the circumstances where not good for germany

I think they could have, the German army was superior at the time, the main saving grace of the Soviets was the weather

they where under supplied

Artic cold also thwatedthe soviets

Stalingrad, November 22, 1942. Red Army trapped around 250k Germans on the Don River.

But in fact, the Germans were able to ward off the Soviet attacks during these incredibly low temperature days. On 6 December, in a record minus 38 degrees below zero, German 9th Army counter-attacked at Kalinin with heavy support from Panzergruppe 3 [Panzer Group 3, a tank army consisting of several corps] and pushed back Soviet 31st Army across River Volga again. In the process, Soviet 250th Rifle Division was completely routed and had to be withdrawn from combat.

Between 5 and 7 December, the German High Command reported that the Soviet attacks in general were warded off.  “We failed during the first days,” admitted Zhukov, the most acclaimed Soviet military commander of the Second World War.

the main issues with the germans was lack of oil

@Злой и славянский u failed

yeah, and overstretched supply lines

That and the straight up Isis level dedication of the Soviet soldiers

didn't help italy was dog shit at war

the red army does not get enough credit though, they were an effective fighting force

the Spaniards had some good soldiers actually

An issue was also the blitz, the Germans didn't target our factories, but instead targeted the runways.

I feel like the Axis would have been better off without he Italians

And thus when the initial planes were destroyed, more could be made.

i know a lot of people think spain joining the war would of killed spain

but i think it would of turned the tide of the war honestly

In general, overconfidence and lack of planning was what screwed over he Germans in he Soviet Union

the blue division was really good at fighting plus one of the allies supply line would of been cut off

Tbh stalin suggested a surprise war in 1938 to the allies and asked for permission through poland

Poland refused

And so did the allies

sauce?

Poland is god tier country honestly

What if tgey had gone through and caught Germany in that scenatio?

i dont think germany would of been prepared

at all

same if the allies attacked germany through france while germany was invading poland imo