Message from @Mitch

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2018-05-30 02:53:17 UTC  

@GermanEastAfrica You do realize that munitions refers to guns as well, right? Lmao

2018-05-30 02:53:22 UTC  

i fail to see how one can be underequipped and have a surplus at the same time

2018-05-30 02:53:28 UTC  

🤷

2018-05-30 02:54:08 UTC  

@Perpetual Moral Imbalance The point is that they weren't underequipped. At least not for much of the war, anyway.

2018-05-30 02:54:10 UTC  

um what

"Nazi propaganda nurtured the image of Germans fighting against “innumerable masses from the East”, but this is just a racist propaganda. In actual fact, the war on the Eastern Front in 1941 was characterised by a Soviet inferiority in pure numbers. On 22 June 1941, the four Soviet western military districts between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea had 2.3 million men, opposed to nearly 4.5 million Axis troops. The Wehrmacht had amassed 3.35 million troops. To this the Romanian army contributed 600,000, and in the north, Finland had already mobilised its army and could muster 530,000 men.

When the Red Army counter-attacked at Moscow in December 1941, the Soviet numerical inferiority was even larger. Soviet strength returns in archives show that on 1 December 1941, the Soviets were able to muster 576,500 soldiers and 574 tanks against German Army Group Centre – which at the time had between 1.9 and 1.2 million troops with 1,800 tanks and assault guns. The Germans not only enjoyed a three-fold numerical superiority in tanks, but of the Soviet tanks employed against them at Moscow, only around 30 per cent were T-34s or KVs, with the remainder being completely obsolete tankettes.

As the war continued, the Germans gradually lost their numerical superiority – which reflects the greater Soviet industrial capacity – but their most brilliant victories in 1941 were achieved with a convincing numerical superiority."

2018-05-30 02:54:42 UTC  

Do you know what underequipped means?

2018-05-30 02:54:53 UTC  

@Grugochet Yeah, do you?

2018-05-30 02:54:55 UTC  

you seem to think that giving someone a gun means they're fully equipped

Yes the ussr used human wave tactics when they had a smaller force

2018-05-30 02:55:16 UTC  

lol

2018-05-30 02:55:24 UTC  

Karde I think you might actually be brain dead

2018-05-30 02:56:04 UTC  

@Grugochet No, that isn't what I think. I believe having all the necessary munitions with which to wage war is what being "fully-equipped" means.

They only had numerical supremacy really in 1943 when germans were in near full retreat

2018-05-30 02:56:38 UTC  

what does that even mean?

Which means they didnt need to use human wave tactics then wtf

2018-05-30 02:56:41 UTC  

i have seem to hit a dead end

2018-05-30 02:56:42 UTC  

All hail the German tanks the Panzer reigns supreme

2018-05-30 02:56:52 UTC  

i need an account to view where the source comes from

2018-05-30 02:56:53 UTC  

the necessary munitions to wage war?

2018-05-30 02:56:55 UTC  

its from some university

2018-05-30 02:57:00 UTC  

Oof

2018-05-30 02:57:09 UTC  

you can have men underequipped and still have the necessary munitions to wage war

2018-05-30 02:57:24 UTC  

The Germans knew how to make great tanks

2018-05-30 02:58:00 UTC  

that was one of the causes of the germans downfall is they made to many tank designs

2018-05-30 02:58:06 UTC  

it cost to much to upkeep

2018-05-30 02:58:23 UTC  

They should have kept with the current designs due to the fact it worked so well

2018-05-30 02:58:27 UTC  

another reason is the generals tended to disobey hitlers orders and a aura of distrust and shit

2018-05-30 02:58:39 UTC  

@GermanEastAfrica Actually, the Tiger II was superior to the Panzer.

2018-05-30 02:58:49 UTC  

didn't help that a few surprise attacks happened and the morale of the german army was low from the cold of russia

2018-05-30 02:59:11 UTC  

Like i think the germans got encircled from the soviets i forget what battle it was

2018-05-30 02:59:12 UTC  

I know, the Panzer just came to mind first @Deleted User

2018-05-30 02:59:26 UTC  

Stalingrad?

2018-05-30 02:59:32 UTC  

that might be it

2018-05-30 02:59:44 UTC  

anyways a lot surrendered cause of it

Wtf another barbarosa myth

2018-05-30 03:00:12 UTC  

The Soviet tanks were technically inferior, but there was a lot of them so it kind of neutralized the field

2018-05-30 03:00:16 UTC  

Stalingrad was caused due to Hitler moving the tank divisions down to the Caucasus to secure oil.

2018-05-30 03:00:26 UTC  

And thus the infantry didn't have tank support.

2018-05-30 03:00:29 UTC  

So they got encircled.