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lol antifa were throwing rocks at the police, don't fucking kid yourself they're not going to throw rocks at you
So let them throw rocks
I understand that, but it'd be nice to deal a double defeat. One where they turn normies off to them as they already do, and a physical defeat that will inspire normies to join us
have fun standing around having bottles thrown at you 'playing the victim'
Let one of them cut your eyebrow
Get it shown on camera
What we need is "camera squads"
people to defend those holding camera
wait your actually saying show up get hit by rocks and cry on camera
1 guy with camera and four or five defending them
I agree with the whole camera thing. They are fucking terrified of people recording their violence. Hidden cams and everything are the best, but we DO fucking need a way to defend ourselves.
@D3VNT you're right, the culture war of the utmost importance. But we should be ready to meet them at the protests to counter them.
Literally, yes, because you're not going to destroy communism by beating up edgy, angsty teenagers
We do our best to document, get their faces
Again, the question is non-violence or self defense. What are we trying to accomplish if a fight actually occurs? You can't have it both ways when the shit hits the fan.
Defeat them with logic *tip*
then we shame them in public and help cops pursue prosecution
Again, that's on you
Both non-violence and self defense.
There's already Trump anti-protestors going to these protests. A little bit of organization and some balls would inspire people
Nigger if someone punches you are you just going to be a pacifist?
Defend yourselves within your legal rights to do so
we can also use their shit for propaganda
Self defense and non-violence.
But stay within the confines of the law, naturually
We can have a anticom news that exposes the antifa
That's more or less the objective
We're not fucking brownshirts
Antifa is brownshirts
@D3VNT we've already established that we aren't going to be the ones initiating contact at all.
@D3VNT Which is why there needs to be group leaders and chapter leaders telling people what they can and cannot do as well as bring
And the idea is to show the world that this is the case
helps frame anti-fa as antif free speech as well
We don't need legal advice
How the fuck do you function in real life
Don't break the god damned law
the big thing people can be doing right now is making sock accounts and infiltrating their social media network
@D3VNT Yea we do, if one of the members in a chapter goes off rails and brings weapons that makes us all look bad
How is that difficult
@everyone **I'm going to start making flyers for us to actually pass out and put around cities, is this agreed as the American logo? White ring for international?**
how about just an american flag
If they go off the rails we've lost control over that group anyway
instead of this snake and shield shit
Think about the riots during the civil rights, the non-violent approach advocated by MLK worked because THEY DIDN'T USE SELF DEFENSE they were entirely non-violent. We can't be non-violent and use self-defense. They are mutually exclusive policies.
Niggers fuck off with the logos
LOOK AT US
WE PLAY METAL GREAR
Make the snake and shield a color that matches the rest.
That logo has a shield in it
Yeah, I'll be pushing for vintage americana in my local group
@Moonman Here's the ideal; Take punches, take rocks, take thrown objects
@DoctorPiss Nigger I'm obviously going to be putting american flags, but we need an actual fucking thing so people identify our organization.
DO NOT take threats to your life
@Anticom LR The name is still a problem but its probably to late for that
The best name suggestion I thought btw was Sons of Jackson
Isn't anti hammer and sickle symbol a gray area for normies?
I don't know I'll see what I can do
@D3VNT what is the line? If someone threatens my life, or if they actually try to kill me?
The name is fine.
The name is good but Sons of Jackson is great
Sons of Jackson?
The fuck is that LARPing shit supposed to represent, founding fathers?
Yea one of the original names suggested
I'm fine with anticom
I don't know mate we already have multiple other countries in on this
But be a big guy(4u) and take a few scratches and bruises
Like canada, sweden, and Germany
Sons of Jackson directly eliminates our International Platform.
Yea, that's fine, not advocating any name change, just throught it was good
@D3VNT I get what you are saying, but I'm trying to establish some kind of check down sheet for when I am allowed to get violent
There isn't one
hit in the face with a rock? non-violent
Lurk /k/, that's not how it works
Employing lethal force is an incredibly subjective thing
corned with 3 antifa trying to fuck me up? violent?
if you are in valid fear of your life, I would say retaliation is acceptable
Hey guys, Antifa is prolly listening. Loose lips sink ships
If lethal force is employed against you, do what you are within your legal rights to do
We should 1.) counter antifa protests 2.) protect innocent people at the protests and 3.) spread info discrediting and delegitimizing them and spreading awareness about how they are a threat.
Bringing a weapon is a bad idea. It could be seen as preemptive
I think AntiCom is actually a hilarious name. Everytime they say "AntiCom is Fascist" it makes AntiFa look ridiculous
Carry a taser
A lot of us have concealed carry licenses
Tasers require licensing actually
@D3VNT It sounds like you'd prefer to us to get our asses kicked and then play the victim card.
So did the guy in MN who memed himself into jail
I don't think it's legal to carry a gun to a protest
@Odalist Refrain You think we'd win a culturual war by beating up angry teenagers?
depends on the state probably
you don't win a cultural war by getting beat up by angry teenagers
@D3VNT we should be ready to fight them to protect ourselves and innocent people at the protests and that's it.
If you go to a protest to counter protest, and carry a lethal weapon with you, that could easily be seen as pre-meditated if you have to use that weapon
But tasers, mace, custom MAGA shields
Yes, but that's not the fucking objective or goal
It would definitely stop them if they knew there was going to be consequences. Look at them they are pathetic cowards
Self defense is always a last resort
I know. I'm replying to moonman
Don't be dumb
@D3VNT We're not fighting a cultural war. We're doing our best to inhibit ANTIFA. That's it.
These people do want to hurt you
According to who, Odalist, you?
Wow, it's almost like you weren't ever a part of the discussions we had
we just gotta stop these fucks before they smash the state
if the state is smashed, ISIS takes over
ISIS takes over, they throw our faggots off buildings
Documenting what antifa really is, and how they act, behav,e and their goals, is a more potent weapon than you apparently realize
no more cool clothes or music
>isis taking over the us
lol calm down with the ISIS shit are you for real?
look here's the deal, I can't carry very often, so I enjoy exercising the privilege when I'm able, so I will
@D3VNT we don't need to specifically focus on fighting the culture war as an organization because that war is already being fought effectively as a decentralized and grass roots general movement.
muslims gonna take over with 1% of population lol gtfo
I would reccomend having a dedicated cameraman or two at every protest taking videos
staying far enough from the fray to avoid being attacked
they're gonna out breed us, that's for sure
We're all supposed ot be cameramen
you don't think muslims are a threat
Also having body cams on the people up in the shit
muslims dindu nuffin?
As much of a hit it is to the precious egos of autists
body cams are the way to go
so they wont hit them away
I know. I mean having someone with a nice DLSR camera staying back and getting a wide area view of whats going on
was that truck attack in Nice a false flag
Playing the victim is effective
BODY FREAKING CAMS
mmuzzies are a threat but not compared to the us military and gun owners on our home turf
Couldn't we videotape them being douchebags while a different group physically prevents them from causing harm?
dude your black population are 1000x more dangerous than your muslim population
These goals aren't exclusive
Sure, once we get the numbers
Also civil service to help pick up and repair the damage after they've torn shit up
Or carrying extinguishers to put out the fires they start
@Cœur de Lion So I guess we should hope BLM doesn't show up too? lol
@D3VNT Attila is right. These goals aren't exclusive. But the initial purpose of establishing this is to counter antifa and to protect people.
There's a lot of shit we can do - but not any part of it should include performing the function of police
shit! it's a classic pincer move! BLM and ISIS!
lol I'm just talking about that guy who thought ISIS was gonna take over the US government
He was memeing, my dude
who was saying that?
USA is a huge country, will take many years but leftists are giving them a path
But we're not there yet by any means, so speculating on how we'll function then is just larping
Groups like these require development over time
whoever is making posters, try and get them done tonight and i will post them up tomorrow
If you're expecting an overnight reactionary force, you're in the wrong place
Can we at least be proud that we're amped up about things?
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We have the freedom to harass and bully the antifa in ways cops can't
Regardless of actual meet-ups for the time
Not with violence per se
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Gogo, why is your objective to justify AntiFa's existence?
If you want to go there and laugh at your expense
But general annoyance, water balloons and counterprotests
That's on you
If they attack crack some skulls in self defense
If and only if your life or someone else's is immediately threatened
@GoGo Waterballoons and counterprotest might be good in the midwest. Tactics are really going to depend on your area and chapter
1) harvest poison oak
2) macerate plant
3) mix with water and rubbing alcohol
4) fill super-soaker
5) unleash bio-terror on antifa
@D3VNT yea you're right we aren't there yet. We won't be there for some time, but that should be one of the main goals. And you're idea of fighting a pr war is important and should be a major focus.
As is the law in most places
What about chicken tendies?
Can we throw chicken tendies at them?
After the protest anon
Just throw rotten meat
throwing tendies would make a great video
It's certainly not overtly physically offensive
Inb4 spaghetti launchers
They'd stink of rotting tendies and go home demoralized
God yes. Imagine the headlines.
but we'd also stink of rotting tendies...
*local protesters chicken out*
carrying them around and whatnot
Most of 4chan smells bad
So no big loss
like an anime convention
Print out pepes and leave them about and watch them scream neo nazi
Don't even joke
Febreeze grenades are a real thing at cons
We have a couple big plans in the works
Us smelling bad is just a sacrifice we'll have to make for fighting the good fight
but you guys need to be patient
I think the weaponized poison oak is a pretty good idea
You zip-tie the trigger to a febreeze can
other groups have had to deal with moles
And toss it in an overcrowded elevator
so we can't leak our plans here
it's not leaking if you're telling people who are taking part
man, febreze is fuckin potent. that would be awful
It is, but
@CaduceusImperium Yea obviously nothing concrete in here, there are about a million ideas for a ton of different things so not a huge issue
Sometimes it's necessary
Do not undestimate con funk
The best way to help right now is to set up a few sock accounts and infiltrate their twitter network
It could be a crowd control weapon is properly harnessed
what @CaduceusImperium said, we can't just be like GUYS LET'S MEET UP HERE lmfao
this is the most rough, temporary chatroom for an org i have been in for a while
I imagine it's the only time all year many of them leave their homes
we obviously have moles
If you absolutely MUST TAKE ACTION NOW REEEE do that