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2017-02-06 05:32:43 UTC

lol antifa were throwing rocks at the police, don't fucking kid yourself they're not going to throw rocks at you

2017-02-06 05:32:53 UTC

So let them throw rocks

2017-02-06 05:32:57 UTC

I understand that, but it'd be nice to deal a double defeat. One where they turn normies off to them as they already do, and a physical defeat that will inspire normies to join us

2017-02-06 05:32:58 UTC

have fun standing around having bottles thrown at you 'playing the victim'

2017-02-06 05:33:00 UTC

Let one of them cut your eyebrow

2017-02-06 05:33:01 UTC
2017-02-06 05:33:04 UTC

Get it shown on camera

2017-02-06 05:33:06 UTC

What we need is "camera squads"

2017-02-06 05:33:13 UTC


2017-02-06 05:33:15 UTC

people to defend those holding camera

2017-02-06 05:33:26 UTC

wait your actually saying show up get hit by rocks and cry on camera

2017-02-06 05:33:36 UTC

1 guy with camera and four or five defending them

2017-02-06 05:33:40 UTC

I agree with the whole camera thing. They are fucking terrified of people recording their violence. Hidden cams and everything are the best, but we DO fucking need a way to defend ourselves.

2017-02-06 05:33:51 UTC

@D3VNT you're right, the culture war of the utmost importance. But we should be ready to meet them at the protests to counter them.

2017-02-06 05:33:57 UTC

Literally, yes, because you're not going to destroy communism by beating up edgy, angsty teenagers

2017-02-06 05:33:57 UTC

We do our best to document, get their faces

2017-02-06 05:34:01 UTC


2017-02-06 05:34:07 UTC

Again, the question is non-violence or self defense. What are we trying to accomplish if a fight actually occurs? You can't have it both ways when the shit hits the fan.

2017-02-06 05:34:12 UTC

Defeat them with logic *tip*

2017-02-06 05:34:14 UTC

then we shame them in public and help cops pursue prosecution

2017-02-06 05:34:16 UTC

Again, that's on you

2017-02-06 05:34:18 UTC

Both non-violence and self defense.

2017-02-06 05:34:21 UTC

There's already Trump anti-protestors going to these protests. A little bit of organization and some balls would inspire people

2017-02-06 05:34:26 UTC

Nigger if someone punches you are you just going to be a pacifist?

2017-02-06 05:34:28 UTC

Defend yourselves within your legal rights to do so

2017-02-06 05:34:29 UTC

we can also use their shit for propaganda

2017-02-06 05:34:30 UTC

Self defense and non-violence.

2017-02-06 05:34:34 UTC

But stay within the confines of the law, naturually

2017-02-06 05:34:41 UTC

We can have a anticom news that exposes the antifa

2017-02-06 05:34:51 UTC

That's more or less the objective

2017-02-06 05:35:14 UTC

We're not fucking brownshirts

2017-02-06 05:35:17 UTC

Antifa is brownshirts

2017-02-06 05:35:17 UTC

@D3VNT we've already established that we aren't going to be the ones initiating contact at all.

2017-02-06 05:35:24 UTC

@D3VNT Which is why there needs to be group leaders and chapter leaders telling people what they can and cannot do as well as bring

2017-02-06 05:35:26 UTC

And the idea is to show the world that this is the case

2017-02-06 05:35:27 UTC

helps frame anti-fa as antif free speech as well

2017-02-06 05:35:39 UTC

@DakGeth yeah we're working on that

2017-02-06 05:35:42 UTC

@D3VNT In terms of legal advice I mean

2017-02-06 05:35:50 UTC

We don't need legal advice

2017-02-06 05:35:54 UTC

How the fuck do you function in real life

2017-02-06 05:36:03 UTC

Don't break the god damned law

2017-02-06 05:36:05 UTC

the big thing people can be doing right now is making sock accounts and infiltrating their social media network

2017-02-06 05:36:06 UTC

@D3VNT Yea we do, if one of the members in a chapter goes off rails and brings weapons that makes us all look bad

2017-02-06 05:36:07 UTC

How is that difficult

2017-02-06 05:36:08 UTC

@everyone **I'm going to start making flyers for us to actually pass out and put around cities, is this agreed as the American logo? White ring for international?**

2017-02-06 05:36:11 UTC


2017-02-06 05:36:15 UTC

@D3VNT It is difficult for some people

2017-02-06 05:36:21 UTC

how about just an american flag

2017-02-06 05:36:21 UTC

If they go off the rails we've lost control over that group anyway

2017-02-06 05:36:24 UTC

instead of this snake and shield shit

2017-02-06 05:36:27 UTC

Think about the riots during the civil rights, the non-violent approach advocated by MLK worked because THEY DIDN'T USE SELF DEFENSE they were entirely non-violent. We can't be non-violent and use self-defense. They are mutually exclusive policies.

2017-02-06 05:36:28 UTC

Niggers fuck off with the logos

2017-02-06 05:36:28 UTC


2017-02-06 05:36:31 UTC


2017-02-06 05:36:32 UTC


2017-02-06 05:36:34 UTC


2017-02-06 05:36:37 UTC

Make the snake and shield a color that matches the rest.

2017-02-06 05:36:37 UTC

That logo has a shield in it

2017-02-06 05:36:51 UTC

Yeah, I'll be pushing for vintage americana in my local group

2017-02-06 05:37:09 UTC

@Moonman Here's the ideal; Take punches, take rocks, take thrown objects

2017-02-06 05:37:12 UTC

@DoctorPiss Nigger I'm obviously going to be putting american flags, but we need an actual fucking thing so people identify our organization.

2017-02-06 05:37:15 UTC

DO NOT take threats to your life

2017-02-06 05:37:22 UTC

@Odalist Refrain He has already agreed with it

2017-02-06 05:37:29 UTC

@Anticom LR Then we're good.

2017-02-06 05:37:39 UTC

@Anticom LR Yeah, the fucking hammer and sickle thing

2017-02-06 05:37:47 UTC

@Anticom LR The name is still a problem but its probably to late for that

2017-02-06 05:38:04 UTC

The best name suggestion I thought btw was Sons of Jackson

2017-02-06 05:38:10 UTC

Isn't anti hammer and sickle symbol a gray area for normies?

2017-02-06 05:38:15 UTC

I don't know I'll see what I can do

2017-02-06 05:38:15 UTC

@D3VNT what is the line? If someone threatens my life, or if they actually try to kill me?

2017-02-06 05:38:18 UTC

The name is fine.

2017-02-06 05:38:25 UTC

The name is good but Sons of Jackson is great

2017-02-06 05:38:33 UTC

Sons of Jackson?

2017-02-06 05:38:42 UTC

The fuck is that LARPing shit supposed to represent, founding fathers?

2017-02-06 05:38:44 UTC

@Moonman If you need to act to protect your existence then do so

2017-02-06 05:38:48 UTC

Yea one of the original names suggested

2017-02-06 05:39:00 UTC

I'm fine with anticom

2017-02-06 05:39:02 UTC

I don't know mate we already have multiple other countries in on this

2017-02-06 05:39:05 UTC

But be a big guy(4u) and take a few scratches and bruises

2017-02-06 05:39:07 UTC

Like canada, sweden, and Germany

2017-02-06 05:39:07 UTC

Sons of Jackson directly eliminates our International Platform.

2017-02-06 05:39:10 UTC

Finished the teaser video https://vid.me/WFOA

2017-02-06 05:39:21 UTC
2017-02-06 05:39:26 UTC

Yea, that's fine, not advocating any name change, just throught it was good

2017-02-06 05:39:49 UTC

@D3VNT I get what you are saying, but I'm trying to establish some kind of check down sheet for when I am allowed to get violent

2017-02-06 05:39:58 UTC

There isn't one

2017-02-06 05:40:02 UTC

hit in the face with a rock? non-violent

2017-02-06 05:40:02 UTC

Lurk /k/, that's not how it works

2017-02-06 05:40:10 UTC

maced? non-violent

2017-02-06 05:40:18 UTC

Employing lethal force is an incredibly subjective thing

2017-02-06 05:40:24 UTC

corned with 3 antifa trying to fuck me up? violent?

2017-02-06 05:40:25 UTC

if you are in valid fear of your life, I would say retaliation is acceptable

2017-02-06 05:40:25 UTC

Hey guys, Antifa is prolly listening. Loose lips sink ships

2017-02-06 05:40:33 UTC

If lethal force is employed against you, do what you are within your legal rights to do

2017-02-06 05:40:37 UTC

We should 1.) counter antifa protests 2.) protect innocent people at the protests and 3.) spread info discrediting and delegitimizing them and spreading awareness about how they are a threat.

2017-02-06 05:40:38 UTC
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2017-02-06 05:40:39 UTC

Bringing a weapon is a bad idea. It could be seen as preemptive

2017-02-06 05:40:43 UTC

I think AntiCom is actually a hilarious name. Everytime they say "AntiCom is Fascist" it makes AntiFa look ridiculous

2017-02-06 05:40:50 UTC

Carry a taser

2017-02-06 05:40:50 UTC

A lot of us have concealed carry licenses

2017-02-06 05:40:57 UTC

Tasers require licensing actually

2017-02-06 05:41:00 UTC

@D3VNT It sounds like you'd prefer to us to get our asses kicked and then play the victim card.

2017-02-06 05:41:06 UTC

So did the guy in MN who memed himself into jail

2017-02-06 05:41:08 UTC

I don't think it's legal to carry a gun to a protest

2017-02-06 05:41:13 UTC


2017-02-06 05:41:15 UTC

Probably varies

2017-02-06 05:41:27 UTC

@Odalist Refrain You think we'd win a culturual war by beating up angry teenagers?

2017-02-06 05:41:29 UTC

depends on the state probably

2017-02-06 05:41:43 UTC

you don't win a cultural war by getting beat up by angry teenagers

2017-02-06 05:41:43 UTC

@D3VNT we should be ready to fight them to protect ourselves and innocent people at the protests and that's it.

2017-02-06 05:41:46 UTC

If you go to a protest to counter protest, and carry a lethal weapon with you, that could easily be seen as pre-meditated if you have to use that weapon

2017-02-06 05:41:54 UTC

But tasers, mace, custom MAGA shields

2017-02-06 05:41:56 UTC

Yes, but that's not the fucking objective or goal

2017-02-06 05:41:59 UTC

It would definitely stop them if they knew there was going to be consequences. Look at them they are pathetic cowards

2017-02-06 05:42:00 UTC

Body armor

2017-02-06 05:42:02 UTC

Self defense is always a last resort

2017-02-06 05:42:04 UTC

I know. I'm replying to moonman

2017-02-06 05:42:06 UTC

Don't be dumb

2017-02-06 05:42:07 UTC


2017-02-06 05:42:11 UTC

@D3VNT We're not fighting a cultural war. We're doing our best to inhibit ANTIFA. That's it.

2017-02-06 05:42:15 UTC

These people do want to hurt you

2017-02-06 05:42:16 UTC
2017-02-06 05:42:23 UTC

According to who, Odalist, you?

2017-02-06 05:42:34 UTC

@D3VNT Right back at you.

2017-02-06 05:42:44 UTC

Wow, it's almost like you weren't ever a part of the discussions we had

2017-02-06 05:43:06 UTC

we just gotta stop these fucks before they smash the state

2017-02-06 05:43:13 UTC

if the state is smashed, ISIS takes over

2017-02-06 05:43:20 UTC

ISIS takes over, they throw our faggots off buildings

2017-02-06 05:43:26 UTC


2017-02-06 05:43:26 UTC

Documenting what antifa really is, and how they act, behav,e and their goals, is a more potent weapon than you apparently realize

2017-02-06 05:43:28 UTC

no more cool clothes or music

2017-02-06 05:43:32 UTC

>isis taking over the us

2017-02-06 05:43:35 UTC

ya right

2017-02-06 05:43:36 UTC

lol calm down with the ISIS shit are you for real?

2017-02-06 05:43:46 UTC

look here's the deal, I can't carry very often, so I enjoy exercising the privilege when I'm able, so I will

2017-02-06 05:43:47 UTC

@D3VNT we don't need to specifically focus on fighting the culture war as an organization because that war is already being fought effectively as a decentralized and grass roots general movement.

2017-02-06 05:43:48 UTC

muslims gonna take over with 1% of population lol gtfo

2017-02-06 05:43:49 UTC

lol isis

2017-02-06 05:44:03 UTC

I would reccomend having a dedicated cameraman or two at every protest taking videos

2017-02-06 05:44:11 UTC

staying far enough from the fray to avoid being attacked

2017-02-06 05:44:14 UTC

they're gonna out breed us, that's for sure

2017-02-06 05:44:17 UTC

We're all supposed ot be cameramen

2017-02-06 05:44:20 UTC

you don't think muslims are a threat

2017-02-06 05:44:21 UTC

Also having body cams on the people up in the shit

2017-02-06 05:44:27 UTC

muslims dindu nuffin?

2017-02-06 05:44:29 UTC

@Moonman#8648 wat

2017-02-06 05:44:31 UTC
2017-02-06 05:44:32 UTC

As much of a hit it is to the precious egos of autists

2017-02-06 05:44:33 UTC

body cams are the way to go

2017-02-06 05:44:33 UTC


2017-02-06 05:44:38 UTC

so they wont hit them away

2017-02-06 05:44:39 UTC
2017-02-06 05:44:40 UTC

I know. I mean having someone with a nice DLSR camera staying back and getting a wide area view of whats going on

2017-02-06 05:44:41 UTC

was that truck attack in Nice a false flag

2017-02-06 05:44:42 UTC

Playing the victim is effective

2017-02-06 05:44:44 UTC


2017-02-06 05:44:45 UTC
2017-02-06 05:44:48 UTC

mmuzzies are a threat but not compared to the us military and gun owners on our home turf

2017-02-06 05:44:58 UTC

Couldn't we videotape them being douchebags while a different group physically prevents them from causing harm?

2017-02-06 05:45:03 UTC

dude your black population are 1000x more dangerous than your muslim population

2017-02-06 05:45:07 UTC

These goals aren't exclusive

2017-02-06 05:45:10 UTC

Sure, once we get the numbers

2017-02-06 05:45:24 UTC

Also civil service to help pick up and repair the damage after they've torn shit up

2017-02-06 05:45:35 UTC

Or carrying extinguishers to put out the fires they start

2017-02-06 05:45:38 UTC

@Cล“ur de Lion So I guess we should hope BLM doesn't show up too? lol

2017-02-06 05:45:50 UTC

@D3VNT Attila is right. These goals aren't exclusive. But the initial purpose of establishing this is to counter antifa and to protect people.

2017-02-06 05:45:55 UTC

There's a lot of shit we can do - but not any part of it should include performing the function of police

2017-02-06 05:46:03 UTC

shit! it's a classic pincer move! BLM and ISIS!

2017-02-06 05:46:03 UTC

lol I'm just talking about that guy who thought ISIS was gonna take over the US government

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2017-02-06 05:46:15 UTC

He was memeing, my dude

2017-02-06 05:46:21 UTC

who was saying that?

2017-02-06 05:46:27 UTC

USA is a huge country, will take many years but leftists are giving them a path

2017-02-06 05:46:32 UTC

@OneLessRed - TN Once we're able to be an overt organization, sure

2017-02-06 05:46:48 UTC

But we're not there yet by any means, so speculating on how we'll function then is just larping

2017-02-06 05:47:13 UTC

Groups like these require development over time

2017-02-06 05:47:16 UTC

whoever is making posters, try and get them done tonight and i will post them up tomorrow

2017-02-06 05:47:24 UTC

If you're expecting an overnight reactionary force, you're in the wrong place

2017-02-06 05:47:51 UTC

Can we at least be proud that we're amped up about things?

2017-02-06 05:47:57 UTC

Today's AntiFa use distributed networks in social media to disseminate information, Twitter being most common, followed by Facebook. There are propaganda hubs such as itsgoingdown.org, which come the closest to leadership structure. Anarchists despise the concept of hierarchy, but do form tribes with de facto leaders and followers. These are subject to coups and power grabs, generally based on arguments over whoever is the most privileged, who displays the most knowledge of arcane Marxist texts, and who can give the most rousing speeches. Never forget the real power comes from those who run the propaganda machinery. A typical AntiFa operation begins as follows:

"Calls to action" are made and echoed through social media. Twitter and Facebook groups are generally localized and may have long histories.
Anarchists have a rapid response time with little vetting of information. The best way to take advantage of this is through creation and maintenance of multiple sock puppet accounts for the purpose of introducing misinformation at critical junctures. Learn Anarchist ideology and terminology well enough to infiltrate these networks.

Anarchists eschew organization and structure. Instead they believe in "the wisdom of the crowd", spontaneous collective outbursts of rage, instigated by shadowy
and cowardly provacateurs.

Anarchists often live communally in unsafe and unsanitary "squats." The Ghost Ship fire in Oakland was a result of these unsafe living conditions. Any and all "DIY Art venues",
"Progressive Spaces", or Anarchist squats should be reported to local authorities and fire marshalls. We don't need these dens of rats in our cities. Send them back home to live with their parents. http://observer.com/2016/12/internet-trolls-launch-campaign-to-shut-down-progressive-spaces/

2017-02-06 05:48:04 UTC

We have the freedom to harass and bully the antifa in ways cops can't

2017-02-06 05:48:07 UTC

Regardless of actual meet-ups for the time

2017-02-06 05:48:21 UTC

Not with violence per se

2017-02-06 05:48:28 UTC

Anarchists and other far left groups are a common sight on many college campuses. Take time and care to notice their activities and social media presence. Many colleges have restrictions on the types of material these groups can distribute and the activities they are allowed to engage in. Research student handbooks and college bylaws for tactically applicable regulations. These can be used to deliver crushing blows to campus groups, particularly those that are dependent on funding from their University. Many alumni donors would be shocked to learn that their donations are going toward groups like the "Maoist Third Worlders" who organize for the overthrow of the USA.
Follow Anti-Insurgency tactics. Anarchists are homegrown guerrilla insurgents with little to no centralized leadership. Anti-Insurgency campaigns must focus on winning the hearts and minds of the everyday citizen. Social media should be used to alert community members to the threat of these terrorists.

2017-02-06 05:48:28 UTC

Gogo, why is your objective to justify AntiFa's existence?

2017-02-06 05:48:51 UTC

If you want to go there and laugh at your expense

2017-02-06 05:48:52 UTC

But general annoyance, water balloons and counterprotests

2017-02-06 05:48:52 UTC

That's fine

2017-02-06 05:48:54 UTC

That's on you

2017-02-06 05:49:21 UTC

If they attack crack some skulls in self defense

2017-02-06 05:49:52 UTC

If and only if your life or someone else's is immediately threatened

2017-02-06 05:49:56 UTC

@GoGo Waterballoons and counterprotest might be good in the midwest. Tactics are really going to depend on your area and chapter

2017-02-06 05:49:57 UTC

1) harvest poison oak
2) macerate plant
3) mix with water and rubbing alcohol
4) fill super-soaker
5) unleash bio-terror on antifa

2017-02-06 05:49:59 UTC

@D3VNT yea you're right we aren't there yet. We won't be there for some time, but that should be one of the main goals. And you're idea of fighting a pr war is important and should be a major focus.

2017-02-06 05:50:00 UTC

As is the law in most places

2017-02-06 05:50:19 UTC

@Moonman You fucking evil bastard

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2017-02-06 05:50:32 UTC

What about chicken tendies?

2017-02-06 05:50:39 UTC

Can we throw chicken tendies at them?

2017-02-06 05:50:40 UTC

Weaponized tendies?

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2017-02-06 05:50:44 UTC

After the protest anon

2017-02-06 05:50:45 UTC

Just throw rotten meat

2017-02-06 05:50:54 UTC

throwing tendies would make a great video

2017-02-06 05:50:56 UTC

I mean

2017-02-06 05:51:04 UTC

It's certainly not overtly physically offensive

2017-02-06 05:51:25 UTC

Inb4 spaghetti launchers

2017-02-06 05:51:34 UTC

They'd stink of rotting tendies and go home demoralized

2017-02-06 05:51:36 UTC

God yes. Imagine the headlines.

2017-02-06 05:51:51 UTC

but we'd also stink of rotting tendies...

2017-02-06 05:51:57 UTC

*local protesters chicken out*

2017-02-06 05:51:59 UTC

carrying them around and whatnot

2017-02-06 05:52:01 UTC

Most of 4chan smells bad

2017-02-06 05:52:06 UTC

So no big loss

2017-02-06 05:52:14 UTC

good point

2017-02-06 05:52:14 UTC

like an anime convention

2017-02-06 05:52:19 UTC

Print out pepes and leave them about and watch them scream neo nazi

2017-02-06 05:52:20 UTC

Don't even joke

2017-02-06 05:52:22 UTC

That's awful

2017-02-06 05:52:29 UTC

Febreeze grenades are a real thing at cons

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We have a couple big plans in the works

2017-02-06 05:52:48 UTC

Us smelling bad is just a sacrifice we'll have to make for fighting the good fight

2017-02-06 05:52:49 UTC

but you guys need to be patient

2017-02-06 05:52:51 UTC

I think the weaponized poison oak is a pretty good idea

2017-02-06 05:52:53 UTC

You zip-tie the trigger to a febreeze can

2017-02-06 05:52:58 UTC

other groups have had to deal with moles

2017-02-06 05:53:00 UTC

And toss it in an overcrowded elevator

2017-02-06 05:53:08 UTC

so we can't leak our plans here

2017-02-06 05:53:20 UTC

it's not leaking if you're telling people who are taking part

2017-02-06 05:53:23 UTC

man, febreze is fuckin potent. that would be awful

2017-02-06 05:53:42 UTC

It is, but

2017-02-06 05:53:42 UTC

@CaduceusImperium Yea obviously nothing concrete in here, there are about a million ideas for a ton of different things so not a huge issue

2017-02-06 05:53:47 UTC

Sometimes it's necessary

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2017-02-06 05:53:53 UTC

Do not undestimate con funk

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2017-02-06 05:54:01 UTC

The best way to help right now is to set up a few sock accounts and infiltrate their twitter network

2017-02-06 05:54:05 UTC

It could be a crowd control weapon is properly harnessed

2017-02-06 05:54:12 UTC

what @CaduceusImperium said, we can't just be like GUYS LET'S MEET UP HERE lmfao

2017-02-06 05:54:18 UTC


2017-02-06 05:54:22 UTC

this is the most rough, temporary chatroom for an org i have been in for a while

2017-02-06 05:54:22 UTC

I imagine it's the only time all year many of them leave their homes

2017-02-06 05:54:26 UTC

we obviously have moles

2017-02-06 05:54:27 UTC

If you absolutely MUST TAKE ACTION NOW REEEE do that

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