https://youtu.be/3MPQxaa9NoU

lol antifa were throwing rocks at the police, don't fucking kid yourself they're not going to throw rocks at you

So let them throw rocks

I understand that, but it'd be nice to deal a double defeat. One where they turn normies off to them as they already do, and a physical defeat that will inspire normies to join us

have fun standing around having bottles thrown at you 'playing the victim'

Let one of them cut your eyebrow

@Cœur de Lion is right

Get it shown on camera

What we need is "camera squads"

^ytes

people to defend those holding camera

wait your actually saying show up get hit by rocks and cry on camera

1 guy with camera and four or five defending them

I agree with the whole camera thing. They are fucking terrified of people recording their violence. Hidden cams and everything are the best, but we DO fucking need a way to defend ourselves.

@D3VNT you're right, the culture war of the utmost importance. But we should be ready to meet them at the protests to counter them.

Literally, yes, because you're not going to destroy communism by beating up edgy, angsty teenagers

We do our best to document, get their faces

yes

Again, the question is non-violence or self defense. What are we trying to accomplish if a fight actually occurs? You can't have it both ways when the shit hits the fan.

Defeat them with logic *tip*

then we shame them in public and help cops pursue prosecution

Again, that's on you

Both non-violence and self defense.

There's already Trump anti-protestors going to these protests. A little bit of organization and some balls would inspire people

Nigger if someone punches you are you just going to be a pacifist?

Defend yourselves within your legal rights to do so

we can also use their shit for propaganda

Self defense and non-violence.

But stay within the confines of the law, naturually

We can have a anticom news that exposes the antifa

That's more or less the objective

We're not fucking brownshirts

Antifa is brownshirts

@D3VNT we've already established that we aren't going to be the ones initiating contact at all.

@D3VNT Which is why there needs to be group leaders and chapter leaders telling people what they can and cannot do as well as bring

And the idea is to show the world that this is the case

helps frame anti-fa as antif free speech as well

@DakGeth yeah we're working on that

@D3VNT In terms of legal advice I mean

We don't need legal advice

How the fuck do you function in real life

Don't break the god damned law

the big thing people can be doing right now is making sock accounts and infiltrating their social media network

@D3VNT Yea we do, if one of the members in a chapter goes off rails and brings weapons that makes us all look bad

How is that difficult

@everyone **I'm going to start making flyers for us to actually pass out and put around cities, is this agreed as the American logo? White ring for international?**

@D3VNT It is difficult for some people

how about just an american flag

If they go off the rails we've lost control over that group anyway

instead of this snake and shield shit

Think about the riots during the civil rights, the non-violent approach advocated by MLK worked because THEY DIDN'T USE SELF DEFENSE they were entirely non-violent. We can't be non-violent and use self-defense. They are mutually exclusive policies.

Niggers fuck off with the logos

LOOK AT US

WE PLAY METAL GREAR

SNAKES

SHIELDS

Make the snake and shield a color that matches the rest.

That logo has a shield in it

@Anticom LR Consult @Haupstürmfuhrer Pepe

Yeah, I'll be pushing for vintage americana in my local group

@Moonman Here's the ideal; Take punches, take rocks, take thrown objects

@DoctorPiss Nigger I'm obviously going to be putting american flags, but we need an actual fucking thing so people identify our organization.

DO NOT take threats to your life

@Odalist Refrain He has already agreed with it

@Anticom LR Then we're good.

@Anticom LR Yeah, the fucking hammer and sickle thing

@Anticom LR The name is still a problem but its probably to late for that

The best name suggestion I thought btw was Sons of Jackson

Isn't anti hammer and sickle symbol a gray area for normies?

I don't know I'll see what I can do

@D3VNT what is the line? If someone threatens my life, or if they actually try to kill me?

The name is fine.

The name is good but Sons of Jackson is great

Sons of Jackson?

The fuck is that LARPing shit supposed to represent, founding fathers?

@Moonman If you need to act to protect your existence then do so

Yea one of the original names suggested

I'm fine with anticom

I don't know mate we already have multiple other countries in on this

But be a big guy(4u) and take a few scratches and bruises

Like canada, sweden, and Germany

Sons of Jackson directly eliminates our International Platform.

Finished the teaser video https://vid.me/WFOA

@DoctorPiss Nice

Yea, that's fine, not advocating any name change, just throught it was good

@D3VNT I get what you are saying, but I'm trying to establish some kind of check down sheet for when I am allowed to get violent

There isn't one

hit in the face with a rock? non-violent

Lurk /k/, that's not how it works

maced? non-violent

Employing lethal force is an incredibly subjective thing

@Moonman https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UFBEt-Mwph34HuJ0E37HI_xSW5ig8jHIjjqwKyFHvmY/pub

corned with 3 antifa trying to fuck me up? violent?

if you are in valid fear of your life, I would say retaliation is acceptable

Hey guys, Antifa is prolly listening. Loose lips sink ships

If lethal force is employed against you, do what you are within your legal rights to do

We should 1.) counter antifa protests 2.) protect innocent people at the protests and 3.) spread info discrediting and delegitimizing them and spreading awareness about how they are a threat.

@PlanetGirth- ND Exactly

cornered*

Bringing a weapon is a bad idea. It could be seen as preemptive

I think AntiCom is actually a hilarious name. Everytime they say "AntiCom is Fascist" it makes AntiFa look ridiculous

Carry a taser

A lot of us have concealed carry licenses

Tasers require licensing actually

@D3VNT It sounds like you'd prefer to us to get our asses kicked and then play the victim card.

So did the guy in MN who memed himself into jail

I don't think it's legal to carry a gun to a protest

^^

Probably varies

@Odalist Refrain You think we'd win a culturual war by beating up angry teenagers?

depends on the state probably

you don't win a cultural war by getting beat up by angry teenagers

@D3VNT we should be ready to fight them to protect ourselves and innocent people at the protests and that's it.

If you go to a protest to counter protest, and carry a lethal weapon with you, that could easily be seen as pre-meditated if you have to use that weapon

But tasers, mace, custom MAGA shields

Yes, but that's not the fucking objective or goal

It would definitely stop them if they knew there was going to be consequences. Look at them they are pathetic cowards

Body armor

Self defense is always a last resort

I know. I'm replying to moonman

Don't be dumb

Ah

@D3VNT We're not fighting a cultural war. We're doing our best to inhibit ANTIFA. That's it.

These people do want to hurt you

@Cœur de Lion agree

According to who, Odalist, you?

@D3VNT Right back at you.

Wow, it's almost like you weren't ever a part of the discussions we had

we just gotta stop these fucks before they smash the state

if the state is smashed, ISIS takes over

ISIS takes over, they throw our faggots off buildings

wait

Documenting what antifa really is, and how they act, behav,e and their goals, is a more potent weapon than you apparently realize

no more cool clothes or music

>isis taking over the us

ya right

lol calm down with the ISIS shit are you for real?

look here's the deal, I can't carry very often, so I enjoy exercising the privilege when I'm able, so I will

@D3VNT we don't need to specifically focus on fighting the culture war as an organization because that war is already being fought effectively as a decentralized and grass roots general movement.

muslims gonna take over with 1% of population lol gtfo

lol isis

I would reccomend having a dedicated cameraman or two at every protest taking videos

staying far enough from the fray to avoid being attacked

they're gonna out breed us, that's for sure

We're all supposed ot be cameramen

you don't think muslims are a threat

Also having body cams on the people up in the shit

muslims dindu nuffin?

@Moonman#8648 wat

http://firecam.com/

As much of a hit it is to the precious egos of autists

body cams are the way to go

Yes

so they wont hit them away

http://firecam.com/

I know. I mean having someone with a nice DLSR camera staying back and getting a wide area view of whats going on

was that truck attack in Nice a false flag

Playing the victim is effective

BODY FREAKING CAMS

http://firecam.com/

mmuzzies are a threat but not compared to the us military and gun owners on our home turf

Couldn't we videotape them being douchebags while a different group physically prevents them from causing harm?

dude your black population are 1000x more dangerous than your muslim population

These goals aren't exclusive

Sure, once we get the numbers

Also civil service to help pick up and repair the damage after they've torn shit up

Or carrying extinguishers to put out the fires they start

@Cœur de Lion So I guess we should hope BLM doesn't show up too? lol

@D3VNT Attila is right. These goals aren't exclusive. But the initial purpose of establishing this is to counter antifa and to protect people.

There's a lot of shit we can do - but not any part of it should include performing the function of police

shit! it's a classic pincer move! BLM and ISIS!

lol I'm just talking about that guy who thought ISIS was gonna take over the US government

lmao

He was memeing, my dude

who was saying that?

USA is a huge country, will take many years but leftists are giving them a path

@OneLessRed - TN Once we're able to be an overt organization, sure

But we're not there yet by any means, so speculating on how we'll function then is just larping

Groups like these require development over time

whoever is making posters, try and get them done tonight and i will post them up tomorrow

If you're expecting an overnight reactionary force, you're in the wrong place

Can we at least be proud that we're amped up about things?

Today's AntiFa use distributed networks in social media to disseminate information, Twitter being most common, followed by Facebook. There are propaganda hubs such as itsgoingdown.org, which come the closest to leadership structure. Anarchists despise the concept of hierarchy, but do form tribes with de facto leaders and followers. These are subject to coups and power grabs, generally based on arguments over whoever is the most privileged, who displays the most knowledge of arcane Marxist texts, and who can give the most rousing speeches. Never forget the real power comes from those who run the propaganda machinery. A typical AntiFa operation begins as follows:

"Calls to action" are made and echoed through social media. Twitter and Facebook groups are generally localized and may have long histories.
Anarchists have a rapid response time with little vetting of information. The best way to take advantage of this is through creation and maintenance of multiple sock puppet accounts for the purpose of introducing misinformation at critical junctures. Learn Anarchist ideology and terminology well enough to infiltrate these networks.

Anarchists eschew organization and structure. Instead they believe in "the wisdom of the crowd", spontaneous collective outbursts of rage, instigated by shadowy
and cowardly provacateurs.

Anarchists often live communally in unsafe and unsanitary "squats." The Ghost Ship fire in Oakland was a result of these unsafe living conditions. Any and all "DIY Art venues",
"Progressive Spaces", or Anarchist squats should be reported to local authorities and fire marshalls. We don't need these dens of rats in our cities. Send them back home to live with their parents. http://observer.com/2016/12/internet-trolls-launch-campaign-to-shut-down-progressive-spaces/

We have the freedom to harass and bully the antifa in ways cops can't

Regardless of actual meet-ups for the time

Not with violence per se

Anarchists and other far left groups are a common sight on many college campuses. Take time and care to notice their activities and social media presence. Many colleges have restrictions on the types of material these groups can distribute and the activities they are allowed to engage in. Research student handbooks and college bylaws for tactically applicable regulations. These can be used to deliver crushing blows to campus groups, particularly those that are dependent on funding from their University. Many alumni donors would be shocked to learn that their donations are going toward groups like the "Maoist Third Worlders" who organize for the overthrow of the USA.
Follow Anti-Insurgency tactics. Anarchists are homegrown guerrilla insurgents with little to no centralized leadership. Anti-Insurgency campaigns must focus on winning the hearts and minds of the everyday citizen. Social media should be used to alert community members to the threat of these terrorists.

Gogo, why is your objective to justify AntiFa's existence?

If you want to go there and laugh at your expense

But general annoyance, water balloons and counterprotests

That's fine

That's on you

If they attack crack some skulls in self defense

If and only if your life or someone else's is immediately threatened

@GoGo Waterballoons and counterprotest might be good in the midwest. Tactics are really going to depend on your area and chapter

1) harvest poison oak
2) macerate plant
3) mix with water and rubbing alcohol
4) fill super-soaker
5) unleash bio-terror on antifa

@D3VNT yea you're right we aren't there yet. We won't be there for some time, but that should be one of the main goals. And you're idea of fighting a pr war is important and should be a major focus.

As is the law in most places

@Moonman You fucking evil bastard

Glorious

What about chicken tendies?

Can we throw chicken tendies at them?

Weaponized tendies?

Yea

After the protest anon

Just throw rotten meat

throwing tendies would make a great video

I mean

It's certainly not overtly physically offensive

Inb4 spaghetti launchers

They'd stink of rotting tendies and go home demoralized

God yes. Imagine the headlines.

but we'd also stink of rotting tendies...

*local protesters chicken out*

carrying them around and whatnot

Most of 4chan smells bad

So no big loss

good point

like an anime convention

Print out pepes and leave them about and watch them scream neo nazi

Don't even joke

That's awful

Febreeze grenades are a real thing at cons

kek

Explain

We have a couple big plans in the works

Us smelling bad is just a sacrifice we'll have to make for fighting the good fight

but you guys need to be patient

I think the weaponized poison oak is a pretty good idea

You zip-tie the trigger to a febreeze can

other groups have had to deal with moles

And toss it in an overcrowded elevator

so we can't leak our plans here

it's not leaking if you're telling people who are taking part

man, febreze is fuckin potent. that would be awful

It is, but

@CaduceusImperium Yea obviously nothing concrete in here, there are about a million ideas for a ton of different things so not a huge issue

Sometimes it's necessary

Like

Do not undestimate con funk

kek

The best way to help right now is to set up a few sock accounts and infiltrate their twitter network

It could be a crowd control weapon is properly harnessed

what @CaduceusImperium said, we can't just be like GUYS LET'S MEET UP HERE lmfao

^

this is the most rough, temporary chatroom for an org i have been in for a while

I imagine it's the only time all year many of them leave their homes

we obviously have moles

If you absolutely MUST TAKE ACTION NOW REEEE do that