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Sure it is
Cuz you were there
you saying dinosaurs aren't real.
Wait so god is real?
Then how was god created
:dab:
If your 3 pound brain could understand or comprehend how god was created or how god created us then it be worth believing in god
Im not sure why you would even ask such a dumb question
We can't just show you an experiment of something that everyone agrees happens over an incomprehensible amount of time (like evolution)
At least know the rules before you break them
How did society become this advanced after 1 minute in god's hands? Can you show this in an experiment?
What rules
Yes i can explain that
God
Whats your explanation?
And what rules?
It seems like a sad life
Genesis 1:21
**Genesis 1:21 - King James Version (KJV)**
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<21> And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. ```
What do you think created the whales?
Im genuinely curious if you could explain that
Millions of years of selective pressures
That's what I think created the whales
I also feel bad for you being so closed-minded of an outdated source
It has become mutual
We are created: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cj_fDMnSzo&feature=youtu.be
Old book says whales were created instantly therefore true!
Many stories in the bible have proof of being true
If you cared to challenge the belief systen thats been forced on you, you would know but you are too busy trying to mock others who do not share your belief. You are a good little citizen
Did you grow up Christian?
Maybe
Iโm willing to bet heโs bibleman 2
But anyway.
Btw, โforcedโ is a loaded word. If you think that atheism is *forced* onto he entire population. Iโd like you to go research the Middle East
I think its more they willingly refuse to believe in god because they dont have enough educational background to claim god is real. People have to educate themselves in all topics even if they dont like them. After all I don't skip english class
so every athiest refuses to believe in god? every single one of them?
No that one person particularly up there
```Citizen ZLast Sunday at 8:38 PM
Many stories in the bible have proof of being true```
Which ones?
also this statement implies others have proof of being wrong
If you were truly interested you would look for yourself
So there are none
Got it
Okay
There Are A lot Of Biblical Stories With Historic And Geologic Backing
Such As Jesus
I do believe Jesus existed
As a person I mean
There Was A Man Named Jesus Who Was Crucified For Saying He Was The Son Of God
The Debate Is Whether Or Not He Was
I Believe He Was And Is
I agree with your first statement but those capitals are killing me man
Sorry Lol, I Just Type This Way
Here, I got you
Also the red sea and all the punishments in the Old Testament have backing to be true with geologic evidence
Almost all biblical stories(Not counting Revalations) have historic backing to be true there is just the question that some ask of whether or not there was a god on their side
Except of course genesis, that is the most debated one
But the way I see it if there are people doing amazing things such as healing people as there is historic backing to say that Jesus Christ (Even As A Man) Did then who's to say that the first part of the story which is creation isn't true
Well the issue is almost every part of the bible is interwoven with God as youโd expect, so whether certain parts are verifiable is somewhat irrelevant to the factuality of the bible as a whole
Which leads down to the core debate if whether god is real, which is somewhat a dead end in a debate because thereโs not really much proof either way
Well as I said if there was a man who was healing people with incurable sicknessess with his hand saying he was the son of god and then he was crucified and brought from the dead, there isn't much choice but to believe the dude that beat death. There isn't physical proof but with this much historic evidence of people doing astounding things and proceeding to say it was all God, they're backing up their debate a good amount. Of course we won't know unless we die or God were to reveal himself but I think that's exactly what faith is.
The problem is again the verifiability of those actions and how much the bible can be trusted as an accurate source
I mean if a dictionary had as many inconsistencies as the bible it would be taken off the shelves
Not that that totally invalidates the whole book or anything
Just that one has to be careful when it comes to using it as fact
Well my point is it's not just the bible, it's historic sources from eye witnesses that also add to the validity of it
So if Jesus was historically seen by roman guards and stuff performing miracles
And they wrote it down as a log
Or reported it to a king
Ah I see what you mean
Then Jesus having those powers is as near to proven as it can be without going back in time
I see what youโre saying, it just seems like it is a very small amount of evidence to base a whole belief system on
Because it is the bible that is used to form religious morals and laws, and to say whatโs right or wrong
i saw atheist. i am here
sorry, but I'm an evolutionist
So you're basically an ape?
Was
No most likely it is he either shares ancestry with apes from a common species that is most likely multi millions of years ago or we were the result of a hybrid species that managed to take hold and survive and slowly evolve into humans
Sounds like ape talk to me!
Hi
Hello!
I'm a 100% evolutionist and atheist. With all due respect, I would like to know more behind why you're a creationist. I just want to know more about your beliefs and what you have to back them up
English is my second language, so sorry about some grammatical errors!
Congrats you believe in nothing
That is pretty much the idea of atheism, @Citizen Z.
We don't believe in any God.
That's pretty much the idea.
So what created you
The random chance of evolution.
Who designed you
What created the evolution you believe in?
"belive"
You do realize thar evolution is still happening, correct?
Be lie
Thats not the answer to the question
So you think everything creates itself?
Just like gravity, evolution wasn't "created", it's just what happens in nature, creatures evolve to the medium around them m
What created nature?
What designed the laws?
And, as I said, if you believe that evolution dosen't exist, evolution is still happening today.
Im asking what created it
Just a question
Well, certainly not a bearded dude up in thy sky.
I can explain nature and gravity.
First, nature.
What created matter?
What created time?
What created space?
You know what, if you really like asking questions that you want to lead to your bearded deity, I also have a question.
Who said its a bearded dude in the sky? You are trying to throw out insults now?
Why does the Bible support a lot of outdated beliefs?
You are the only one talking about bearded ppl in the sky
Such as women being under men?
Who said anything about the bible?
You are weird
Well, God is usually portrayed as a bearded deity.
And, you seem to believe that the Bible, a book wrote by some random person, is allways correct.
A book that has some really outdated beliefs.
In your mind
You seem to have a profane understanding of what the bible really means
Now, I am NOT saying that everything in the Bible is wrong, it does have some good things too, but what I am saying is that it also contains things like :
Samuel 6:19
1 Peter 2:18
**1 Peter 2:18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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The Example of Christโs Suffering
<18> Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. ```
Exodus 21: 7-8
Deuteronomy 23:1
BibleBot#1110 LANGUAGE!!!
II Chronicles 21:14-15
Should I continue?
Bahaha
Bible bot got a warning
Yup, the Bible is that messed up.
Vanessa#2602 LANGUAGE!!!
Bible is gay
When the bible has to be censored
Lmao what if we could get biblebot muted XD
that would be funny
we know which verse to do too
This video includes some of that topics and it's really well made, who created has the beliefs of a beliver of Jesus Christ or Yahweh https://youtu.be/rxt5BJr4ERA
the fact that she can actually acording to the bible see some truths that are actually happening now made me think that well that book has some things that we can apply now aswell..
Look at biblebot's roles
If I could post links, I think I have a song to describe this perfectly.
evolution all the way
The Big Bang created God. Checkmate!
ugghh stop trying to use science to prove a magical man exists
You do realize darwin and hundreds of others can explain origin of species right? Its just that everything having a common ancestor is harder to explain. Darwin never claimed for a fact all species shared an evolutionary relationship
Abiogenesis cant even be proven. So we never even get to evolution. Abiogenesis is impossible to of happened on earth. Nevermind evolution.
Thats not valid. Life could have began for any reason including planting of life by aliens, god creating life through non scientific means, or it just existing since the beginning of time. None of that directly affects what could happen afterwards
>planting of life by aliens
Who planted the life for those aliens?
>god creating life through non scientific means
Best possible explanation, the fact that we are born with reason and empathy just shows us that there is an intelligent design. By the standard evolutionary model, we shouldn't feel any empathy at all because it doesn't help us get resources needed to survive.
Modern day humans have killed God, there has never been such a high rate of atheism. I can't blame them because I was once in that phase who watched edgy atheists on youtube and thought God was full of bull shit. Everything we see induces us to feel that way, like the globe which tells you that you were basically an accident made by a speck of atoms at the right time. What are the odds that you are born a human with reasoning and empathy in a world where resources were so scarce back then.
Everything today tries to hide god away from us. I never mentioned religion but there will always be people who will quote the bilbe or quran and say how cruel god is, they do not represent God. God made human of such a beautiful precision, you don't have to be religious to believe in God yet schools all teaches us that if you want to believe in a God you will need to side with an abrahimic religion. Such a shame, the renaissance was truly gonna change humanity into a better version but the middle class sabotaged it and were too greedy. Christian view on man were pessimistic but renaissance was gonna rebirth man into a spectacular creature made by God.
Don't take the Bible literately and only use it as spiritual guidance, something so many atheists forget to do.
)Im ignoring the 2nd+ paragraph because they are off topic) You do realize that the theory is that prokaryotes first came around like that according to evolutionary theory and not humans. Saying it as a spark of atoms is a pretty radical exaggeration. The earliest life form found was dated to 3.5 million years. That is 1.04 billion years. Which is 1040 million years. Early humans have been around for maybe 7 million years. In others words if we take 3500-7 million we get it took 3483 million years to evolve. So no it was not a simple spark of atoms. As for the evolutionary benefit of emotions- k-selective species give offspring a direct advantage by having emotion for them because they are more likely to survive. Other emotions usually have evolutionary benefits as well but the benefit depends on the emotion mainly
and if you say depression weirdly enough I actually have evidence that its helpful in some ways. So don't say depression
Empathy helps us show care to our significant other which gives us a higher chance to reproduce (evolutionary standpoint). I believe in creation and evolution but you can disagree if you want :/
What lol
I suppose its not that bad because its coming from embryo cells which have complete telomere regions. Otherwise it would be terrible
The *-some people are more valuable than others* isn't a part that's caused by the globe earth model
Nor is the foundation one
our feelings about what the universe is irelevant
That entire image is an argument to emotion falacy
^^ Thus can not be considered a legitimate argument in the first place
For Sapphire's post, i believe the earth is a globe, but i also believe in evolution and the fact that we were created by god, and that god loves us.
120 Scriptures describe the earth, Genesis describes how the earth was made in 6 days! NASA lies!
Not hear to fight just point out references for sake of discussion, much Love ๐
Every wonder where the bees ๐ got the idea for a hexagonal shape to create a honey comb? What science told them to do that? Ever wonder why cyclone trees are created the same exact way with hexagonal shape?
If science is true, how much energy was used for the Big Bang theory.
Scientists canโt answer that question , yet believe in the theory , whatโs the difference in theory of bible ? And evolution?
Sorry SPOOKY... I take the Bible literally as the word of God unflinching unchanging day after day it is to be used as such it is the solid unflinching word of Almighty God
What if God made evolution?
I mean Darwin himself was a Christian.
Although many secularist scientists are leaving the beliefs of Darwinism.
Also, God is timeless so perhaps it was a metaphor @SapphireBlue 7
Darwin denounced himself before he died
A lot of the Torah and Gospels were metaphoric.
Not meant to be taken literal.
No. Not at all. The Gospels are to be taken literally as the unflinching word of the Lord Jesus Christ the son of God
Yes but Jesus spoke in many metaphors.
Every time you see in the gospel where Jesus is talking it is the word of God
As were parts of the Torah.
The Torah was pre-Christ and was all that we had to live by in the old days as soon as Jesus came the new testament of Jesus Christ was born in every word out of his mouth was the testimony of God Almighty
I know that.
But parts of the Bible are metaphoric.
Metaphors are meant to be understood through the Holy Spirit through prayer and meditation it will be revealed itโs that simple
That's how the Bible is.
Plus during the time of Moses time wasnt exact.
From the time of the flood in the time of the pharaohs in Egypt time was not exact either where the seasons or times of the year
But God most likely also did it to give the Sabbath more meaning
Once you get about 3400 years BC time is actually hard to tell which section of time is real and which is not itโs very foggy
Another thing is that in order for macro evolution to happen from ape to human you need to add DNA information.
But that's been proven to be impossible.
You can only subtract DNA information.
There will never be a missing link humans and apes are so far apart itโs unbelievable to DNA strands is enough information that God made sure it happened that way
Ie you can get a poodle from two wolves but not a wolf from two poodles
So humans would have had to been there from the get go
Well thatโs slightly incorrect you cannot get a poodle from two wolves I am a dog specialist and Iโve been raising breeding and educating people about dogs for over 45 years itโs an interesting statement but incorrect
(Its more of a metaphor. Of course it has to happen over time but the process is not irreversible.
Yes itโs a cool metaphor kind of gave me a chuckle
But evolution, on the macro level, is practically impossible.
Macro evolution is much more probable.
Yes. I would classify it as impossible
Question, you dont have to answer, are you religious?
No i am rather spiritual. Religion means strict dogma and rule
Ah ok. I myself dont prefer the term religion.
I adhere to the Bible prayer and the voice of the Holy Spirit guiding me in my life with Jesus Christ is the son of God who has washed our sins away by believing in him it is a gift of grace through faith
There really is no spiritual life without Jesus Christ in your heart and soul
Yeah.
Ok. Gonna go get a bowl of ice cream... be right back in a few
๐โจ
Aight
Cya
Well, anyone believing in any other faith will say the exact same thing
But with another God or prophet
Most Christian and Muslim scientists basically work together
Evolution.
creationism is cringe
so lets talk about endogenous Retroviruses. When a Retrovirus infects an animal, it injects its genome into the DNA of whatever cell its attacking. Sometimes this genome is integrated into the animal, and will pass down to the next generation. It is believed that ERVs consist of like 5% of the human genome. The interesting thing is we share a lot of the same ERVs with chimpanzees
hmmm...wonder why this is?
https://youtu.be/_zQXgJ-dXM4he
James tour is a synthetic chemist with 200 patents
Pretty much proves abiogensis at least on earth is utterly impossible
He has a few videos, very comprehensive. He goes through the process of actually making a complex molecule. To say it is difficult is the understatement of the year. invented the nanocar. a molecular car with actual rotating wheelsthe bottom line is no abiogeneses ....organic matter from inorganic matter, you can't even get to evolution. rock babies... impossible
we already found out that the conditions of early Earth could have created amini acids
though actual experiments
Oh cool.show us
Then if you dont mind. Could you show us those acids turning into intelligent life
Or you could just watch the video
from what i know they are arguing against *abiogenesis*
which is not evolution
the vidya seems tldr
so i never watched the whole thing
Abiogenisis means the origins of humans
An no the current science cannot reproduce enzymes in a puddle ๐
Yes Enzymes are only produced by living organisms
James tour is a synthetic chemist with 200 patents
Pretty much proves abiogensis at least on earth is utterly impossible
He has a few videos, very comprehensive. He goes through the process of actually making a complex molecule. To say it is difficult is the understatement of the year. invented the nanocar. a molecular car with actual rotating wheelsthe bottom line is no abiogeneses ....organic matter from inorganic matter, you can't even get to evolution. rock babies... impossible
https://youtu.be/_zQXgJ-dXM4he
@Riley First, that video is not strictly about abiogenesis.
They cover the lack of evidence for speciation visa vie the pre-cambrian explosion>
Second, the Miller-Urey "experiment" yielded amino acids not enzymes.
A far cry from a usable protein.
Abiogenisis != origins of humans
nope
total nonsense
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance!
@indio007 the cambrian explosion does not disprove evolution. The goal of the Miller-Urey Experiment was to produce animo acids. It was not about enzymes at all
Cambrian is now only 10 million years, an mutiple new species arrived together
Oh interesting
Evolution btfo!
@๐ข๐๐บ๐ฝ ๐จ๐ฆ (๐ ๐ญ๐จ) Watch the two videos above, theyre quite big brained, so enjoy!
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