I share my faith because I care about souls!

no thats fine
only reason im questioning you is because we're in the debate hall

GODs Word is alive! I have walked through so much doubt and every time GOD has been true and HE revealed it in HIS Word!

I thought if you're not religious then you'd be simply a "theist" but then you claim to not be religious while believing in the bible

bible is a religious text

Quite honestly I would rather there be a discussion hall. Being in a debate format implies I am here to fluff up my ego and be "right". Coming to CHRIST, I found how wrong I had been.

@Hugh I have already explained why I do not attached my faith to "Religion". If that is what you desire to call it then that does not offend me.

It seems as though humanity tenaciously desires for all things to fit in the socially accepted boxes. I really do not care about the secular standards of society.

I love me some Jesus =]

So what things outside the bible, collaborate with it?

Re is a prefix meaning "return," and ligare means "to bind;" in other words, "return to bondage." aka religion

The Pharisees were "Religious" and they were the ones that JESUS opposed!

@DrPeper There is a plethra of Historical information that Citizen has shared in this Discord. Physical evidence of the events found in the Bible.

well, no there isnt much really

all the accounts from Roman sources are talking about chrisitians about 100ish after Jesus

http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html

theres a helpful link =]

that is the bible supporting Jesus

yea, but also predating Jesus by a few thousand years

but if i was making something else based on Jewish teachings, i would make sure they match up too

@DrPeper I would honestly be a bit skeptical of the information coming from the vantage point of the Roman empire.

its not bad that you are unawres of the bible, theres time to learn, hopefully =]

i asked for things outside the bible

Mitty, my point there is nothing from around the time that supports the bibl

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outside of the bible is lies, and unverified truths, why would u seek truth outside of the bible?

because if multiple sources go against the bible , why would i trust the one source that is different

you havent showed that it is 100% the truth

the prophecies fulfilled are evidence enough

I think he is looking into texts or information to prove the Bible to be true or false. If he is coming from the perspective of not believing the Bible to be true

Not even Clergy are Biblical inerrantsists

Nobody believes the Bible to be literally true. No one thinks Revelations is literal

i believe the bible to be literally true though, am i a nobody?

You're certainly not in the majority of Christian theology

i could agree hesitantly with that

@Christmas EveryDay I think he is looking for more historical

I believe GODs Word to be the final authority as well as absolute Truth!

Ye what I mean to say is that there are many different ways to interperet any text; there are multiple ways to define truth

Even incredibly important scholars in the Christian tradition to debate what "truth" is.

the bible says Jesus is the truth. Thats what i beliieve

Yeah but what is truth?

You can't really explain what it means for something to be true

=]

im just trying to play nice

I found that whatever "ist" glasses you look through will be the way one interprets scripture and hence the reason behind so many false belief systems.

Yeah, but a conversation on whether or not something is true is useless if two people cannot agree on what it means to be true. So you and DrPeper will have to E P I S T E M O L O G Y

Ovtherwise it'll be hopelessly circular

GOD resists the proud and gives Grace to the humble. If one comes to the scriptures arrogantly then they will see through a legalistic lens. If one comes humbly then GOD Graciously gives the ability to see Truth. The Word of GOD is alive!

It's how you analyze historic documents

You look for things that support it

With all due respect you're both spouting some shite

Looking for historical arguments for theology is futile to say the least

Try to rely on the anointing of the holy spirit to teach us

Ey mate I'm not saying anything about Christianity. I'm just saying these claims border upon the nonsensical

well if the world was able to understand, then the world would understand. right?

Yes

some things are spiritual, and cannot be understood physically.

Sure, but you don't need to rely on the Spirit to explain Christian theology

You can - you just don't have to; and something tells me, DrPeper ain't gonna accept the spiritual.

the bible says dont rely on your own understanding, theres that to consider.

The trinity is very important to Christianity

To rely on God's

The Spirit is still your understanding

You're just carving it up in a different set of semantics

right, the spirit is what we should seek to draw our understanding from, but be careful when you start seeking spiritual advice, some spirits only want to kill you

I reject the existence of the spiritual

lmao

ive experience the spirit realm on multiple occasions

A posteriori arguments are hard to make when I can point out experience csn be delusion

i wonder, was i as inquisitive as you ?

Think of it this way: you had an experience. That's true.

there were others who witnessed the same thing when i experienced it

its not like an only me thing

Ok, what was the experience?

No one can deny that. But why call it spiritual? You're stepping out of "this happened" and into "it must be this."

It could be a million people who hsd the experience, wouldn't make it any more or less spiritual

i saw a being of light that flashed neon colors watching me and some friends hanging out

it moved fast like a bolt of lightning

Sounds like electricity to me

this being of light took on the form of a gnome

What context? What were you been doing then?

about 3 feet tall and stalky

playing power rangers in the yard is what we were doing

Tbh

Millions of people also "experienced" whatever it is they claim the SS did

we saw it turning its head and looking at us, then running to the other side of the yard and looking at us again

What does the SS have to do with possible spiritual experiences?

So how is this spiritual? Why are we dubbing it has anything to do with spirit? Light sounds pretty physical to me

It's about knowledge-claims mate

im just sharing something me and a few friends experienced, this light being had a form and definition

That makes

By definition

It into a physical being

Thus not spiritual

how am i supposed to see a spiritual thing in the not physical?

You can't see spririt. That's what makes it spirit

Even occultists believe this mate

Odin, tearing out the eye? Third eye?