I don't follow

the deleted link was not from natural news so it cant be used against natural news can it ????

Sure

vaccines help people

ye

yes

Trans monkeys

🍑 turns to 🍆 and 🐒

Vaccines are harmless

there are far more critical people on it

lets be clear, they're not 100% harmless as it might be asumed

not 100% but still nonetheless harmless

some are more susceptible to the side effects than others, yet where is the prescreening?

regardless of the benefits and/or risks the vaccine would bring to it's consumers, the citizens, who benefits and gains the money?

there's already evidence that aluminium adjuvant accumulates in lymph nodes, further proof of mechanism that adds to the pile, and another dot between two dots: https://archive.fo/B90Cs

Vaccines do more good than harm though

well, that's a generalization, since this doesn't apply to all vaccines
example: flu shot

Lol wtf

That guy did a drive by on the channels then left

i thought anti vaccines was a meme

but apparently not

@Magical Sheep Prove it.
Go through this room and detail how all of these issues exist, yet, still causes more good than bad.
I will wait.
<#551617059013001236>

Wow

@Lamp Prove it. Go through the same room and detail the same.

@unknownglitch Issue?

This channel is so autistic

@unknownglitch <#551617059013001236>

Explain

@unknownglitch Explain yourself

There is clear evidence against your bullshit insults. Go through it. <#551617059013001236>

Wow an actual anti vaxxer

You gonna look at evidence or just insult?

@unknownglitch

Come on

Fight me

Facebook is some damn good evidence man

Show how much you know

@unknownglitch Not Facebook, genius. You clearly didn't even look.

@unknownglitch ikr, look at real science and not anti-science news websites

Hurry up and admit you know nothing and that you just want to insult us so we can remove you.
Or put your money where your keyboard is and show me why you feel the need to insult. @unknownglitch

No need to stoop to insults

@Magical Sheep I told you to look at the evidence. Why are you here not talking about how you were wrong?

I looked at evidence outside of here

Bullshit

That room is packed with too much info to go through that fast

<#551617059013001236>

@unknownglitch You have 90 seconds before you're muted.

Lol

Explain yourself

I'll sneeze on you @🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄

Ok, goodbye.

Why are human beings so dumb

!mute @unknownglitch

<:CHECK6:403540120181145611> **unknownglitch#0627** was muted
```
reason: Unspecified
```

They arent paying the pro vaccine people enough

Lol thats a joke right? @King DADDY

Well yeah I mean they dont even update their scripts lmao

http://humansarefree.com/2019/05/girl-lost-half-her-brain-after-mmr.html

Can just say somthimg, lets say that im this situation, vaccines cause autism, but make you LESS likely to get the diesease (use polio as a example) this is somthing we would partly agree on, now, that would give a choice, polio, or autism, autism isnt actually know for causes for deaths, but polio has, but hey is that worth not being autistic, probs no as you could still live somewhat normallly if your autistic

Can I quickly disscuss snake oils, if they were to be usefull IN ANY WAY, their use would be severely limited, you dont see painkillers used to cure diseases, the same way steroids dont make people immune to a disease.
You need help if you think any amount of snake oil will help if you've been shot, you need to remove the foreign object, disinfect the wound to prevent bacteria from making it worse and close up the woumd to make sure no more fogrein items come inside.

And you cant bath in any oil to help with your stomachache, unless the placebo affect is doing the job for you.

I dont think anyone would read this, cause the ***"oh its too long"*** and instead, pull a excuse outta nowhere

@The Chucken Noris

**1/10th of 1%**

What happens to those on the lower end of autism? At a certain point, these people cannot have or live independent lives with families of their own. They become life-long responsibilities for the parents that are supposed to watch their kids become thriving adults who form their own families and make their own lives. It increases general poverty because they require a lot more medical and physical attention. Now, granted, being a parent does assume that responsibility and willingly so. That's our children, of course we are going to provide if this is ever a reality. But to willingly take that risk after you already have a healthy baby is completely unfair to both that child and the parents.
And now ask yourself, why is this risk even a thing? Why can't the vaccines simply be safe? Why can't they take the tine and effort into making sure these vaccines won't have such potential side effects? Vaccines don't go through clinical trials. And the manufacturers are immune to liability of adverse effects from their vaccinations.

So you would rather have polio then autism?

Most people fully recover from polio with life-long immunities afterwards, so.... yes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/09/an-unvaccinated-teen-who-sued-over-school-ban-got-chickenpox-his-dad-says-thats-good-thing/%3foutputType=amp

it's not about making fun or ridiculing something as a 'meme'. The discussion is about having a rational standpoint without appealing to any authority, the term legitimate is often misused, as if it's an entitlement you get from the establishment

to name a few phenomena in today's world, it applies even thousands of years back: unacceptable truth and non-evidence truth

Okay, so give me an actual research paper that states that vaccines cause autism or any other major problem. Vaccines do more good then harm. We’ve gotten rid of polio and measles, but those came back because of Anti-Vaxxers

Well vaccines cause autism

There are a ton of private researchs that so it does

They don’t lmao

Give me a research paper

Uhh

I it will take me half a hour to find it

you throw the blame on people who refuse to vaccinate in the US, the truth is otherwise and might be contrary

1) the diseases you named are eliminated from the US, not eradicated
2) the source is mainly from the Philippines and other non-US countries
3) MSM is making a lot of spinoffs to shift the blame to unvaccinated US citizens, while the source actually comes from unvaccinated (illegal) immigrants

there's an obvious political agenda going on if you connect these dots...
bringing people with diseases to create a problem
fear is the reaction
the 'solution' they've got in their agenda is mandating

who benefits?
manufacturers

Right, so no more international travel because you might be carrying a virus or the like? Because that's what I'm getting from your comment. Also, are you accepting that vaccines actually are beneficial, or am I interpreting your comment wrong and they're still some super-threat?

it's not like that

it's all about efficiency if we talk about rendering them obsolete, problem is that if the disease comes back, even vaccinated people are at risk, regardless of the vaccination rate

even in communities with a high vaccination rate, outbreaks still occur

these cases are considered as vaccine/immunization failures

So that's why we keep vaccinating, even after a disease has gone from the region. It's a preventative measure

should then be focused on the immigrants themselves, maybe check them for any of these diseases

Or supporting other countries with vaccine programs

could be too, adding to that news that shows the source is not from activists, but rather from immigrants who carry these diseases

since some people have suggestions based on anecdotes, research would be required, especially clinical trials

just imagine if there is a clinical trial showing that vitamin C IV on a 50 gram dose is effective for measles in adults and 5 gram of that dose is effective in children

the reason for the two different doses has to do with the LD50 of vitamin C, which is about 10000 mg/kg

Adrian Dunbar has stage 3 immune system failure and is going to die

proof of that you have stage 3 immune system failure?

or is it CKD?

not all immune systems like vaccines which is why I wouldnt' risk a vaccine I already got screwed once 🗿

vaccines are good and bad. MOstly bad lotta reeel bad side effects

@Lancelot, thats a nice arguement, the wall of text one, you did your reasearch

they work

@TheWorldController <#551617059013001236>

@「阿波根うみこ」 <#551617059013001236>

So

Lemme get this straight

In there, if you even **BOTHERED** to take a moment to actually research before you spouted some bullshit or asked for evidence, you will see exactly what you guys are looking for. Evidence that vaccines can cause harm, as well as induce what they vaccinate for.

Causation vs. correlation, my friend

You didn't read a fucking thing

A handful of incidents are worth suspending all vaccines and endangering thousands?

How the fuck would you know if there is CAUSATION or not ***IF YOU DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING LOOK AT ANYTHING?!?!?!?!***

You see these stories *because* they are so rare

Not because vaccines are actually more harmful than good

@「阿波根うみこ」 Much much much much more than a handful. Stop being deliberately ignorant and look at the evidence. Not just deliberately ignoring my referring you to an entire room of evidence.

That's like saying, oh, let's just get rid of seatbelts because some people still die or get injured in crashes despite wearing them, ignoring all the good they do

You didn't even fucking look, you dishonest and presumptuous little shit.

I did

I looked through the links and headlines

How many posts are there?

Liar

You didn't read the articles

You read headlines and presumed

**Presumed**

Counting the articles, now that I've called you out.

Classic

Also, how come you get to go around swearing and insulting other members, but the resto of us get warned/banned?

Rules for thee but not for me?

Mod

Mods can do things general public cannot.
**WOAH, WHAT A CONCEPT!!!**
Welcome to discord....

Also, I count 51 news articles, not including YouTube vids

Probably missed some, skimmed through and only really counted non-video embeds

Again. Address your gross and illogical actions if reading headlines, **NOT ARTICLES,** and thinking you know anything about them?

You literally cannot know anything about the articles and yet, you're arrogant enough to speak against them?

How dare you be so arrogant and presumptuous?

Can you please, for one minute, stop being so rude

Can you? You didn't read anything and you're here trying to speak for something you know nothing about.

That's extraordinarily offensive

Right

Okay

So you can jump to conclusions saying I don't know anything then though?

You clearly admitted to reading headlines.

How do you know I've not read these sort of articles before and yet still come to the conclusion that vaccines do vastly more good

You couldn't have gone through all that material so quickly.

Because that would be insanely intellectually dishonest.

What would, deciding that vaccines do vastly more good than any harm?

So you're allowed to go against the scientific consensus on vaccines, potentially harming thousands of people, yet *I'm* an issue?

See, the very fact that you think I'm harming, or potentially harming, anyone clearly shows that you have not read anything I referred you to.

And yes, deciding they cause more good, **AFTER,** reading the material in that room would be insanely intellectually dishonest of anyone.

Jesus Christ, have you never heard of herd immunity? And once again, the only reason you even see these sort of articles is *precisely because vaccines are so effective in 99% of cases*

Prove it

Cite your sources

It is highly unlikely to have negative side effects from vaccines

Prove it

Cite your sources

***"Jesus Christ, have you never heard of herd immunity? And once again, the only reason you even see these sort of articles is precisely because vaccines are so effective in 99% of cases"***
Sources for this particular claim.

I'll wait.

Immunity? Yes, I have immunities from **NOT BEING VACCINATED!!!**

***NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!***

<:CHECK6:403540120181145611> @「阿波根うみこ」 has been warned
```
reason: Duplicated text
```

Oh really

Come on

<:CHECK6:403540120181145611> @「阿波根うみこ」 has been warned
```
reason: Duplicated text
```

...

Attempt 3:

Pages 3 & 5:
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16491301
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11505437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12925846

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17989383
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20211953

Until you read the articles in <#551617059013001236>

I will not read yous

Yours

I'd say that's fair

...

I'm sorry, you only read headlines, and you still expect me to read your sources?

Explain the logic

You asked me for sources

I provided sources

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I did as well in the form of an entire room of evidence

Also, I made a mistake earlier, I said they were effective in 99% of cases, but meant they cause little/no harm in 99% of cases

I'm not gonna lie and say that most of them have anywhere near a 99% effectiveness, but they are markedly more effective than electing not to take vaccinations

https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/157-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link?fbclid=IwAR0qoz2mSBld-uf_kAonv5wd0pCVwXrpvuS2wfNu-mLB2I8gzFvHmwzEJ48#scribd

Checkmate

This was also in that room.

I was avoiding posting it, here, because it's horrendously disgusting that you guys come here without research.

And hoped you would come across it in your researching and looking through our channels.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/no-link-between-mmr-and-autism-major-study-finds/

???

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/mmr/mmr_autism/en/

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/157-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link?fbclid=IwAR0qoz2mSBld-uf_kAonv5wd0pCVwXrpvuS2wfNu-mLB2I8gzFvHmwzEJ48#scribd

You think 3 biased papers holds more water than just this compilation of 157?

Not to mention all of the other links in that room?

It would appear you will never look at any of our evidence so I'm not sure you deserve to be here, anymore.
What say you, in your defense?
@「阿波根うみこ」

omg how does vaccines cause autism

@TheWorldController

says it on the vaccine insert its self

`You think 3 biased papers holds more water than just this compilation of 157?` No, your sources have just as much bias as anyone else. Also, there is a greater number of studies which have COMPLETELY disproved the idea that vaccines cause autism. Look at *Graphical Science* studies.
`Not to mention all of the other links in that room?
It would appear you will never look at any of our evidence so I'm not sure you deserve to be here, anymore.` Uh, I don't think you looked through all of the other evidence for a disagreeing opinion. Sounds like you're trying to shut down someone who disagrees with you.
`What say you, in your defense?` sorry mate, this isn't a trial

No, post-approval use is after the vaccine has been approved for general use in the public. Regardless, these are effects that are merely noted after having received the vaccine, but the vaccine may not be the cause

@road to diabetes @Magical Sheep Then you didn't look at anything in that room and have no room, nor the knowledge to contest the information.

@「阿波根うみこ」 Pretty sure I asked you a question.

That is a big oof

I read through <#551617059013001236> at your request a couple of days prior @🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄

I'm a mod, I can make this a trial, should I feel as though you deliberately ignore the evidence.

Also, I doubt it or that would make you insanely intellectually dishonest.

You read through all 157 papers linking a very real risk of autism to vaccines?

And still deny it?

Read the insert? The ones that clearly mention **AUTISM** as a potential adverse effect?

And still deny it?

You didn't read shit.

Read the bit about measles vaccine spreading measles? Or all of the people who got what they were vaccinated against?

And still deny it?

So it's perfectly fair for you to ban someone from this Discord because you disagree with them on one topic?

Power tripping much?

Lmao causation is not correlation

That must be what I said. Thank you for paying attention.

@Magical Sheep Shifting the goal post

In addition, i notice that none of this anti-vaccine fervor existed until after an erroneous study that was retracted and the researcher stripped of their medical license

So, all of these things happen and are the cause of something else?

Even though the vaccines are clearly the common denominator

That's some serious mental gymnastics

And deliberate ignorance

I walk to work and get hit by a car and killed
Therefore walking to work is lethal to everybody?

That's not the slightest bit what I said.

Once again, correlation ≠ causation

You're fucking delusional

Some people have immune failures and can’t take vaccines, but that’s a different issue entirely

No, I don't think I am

The cause is in front of your face

It's literally black and white

“Biology is never 100%”

You can get smacked in the face and think it was a tree branch

Some people will always be medically unable to take vaccines because of their immune systems

More than that, mate.

If you even bothered with the information

You just want them to be safe

Even though they are not

Also, your claim of all antivaxx material being after a bullshit study is going to need to be cited @Magical Sheep

No, I want a population to be immune to a disease through herd immunity (caused by vaccines) by making people who can take it become vaccinated which is safe unless you have an immune system mutation

Sure his names Andrew Wakefield

Not possible

Cite your sources

What’s not possible?

The links I provided last night show that the link between autism and vaccines based on that study was incorrect

You gave a name, I'm asking for a source that proves your claim was not pulled from your ass

@「阿波根うみこ」 And what I provided shows data beyond that.

The NHS, WHO and CDC all state that the study was incorrect

Nice to know you actually looked.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

**Sarcasm**

He was discredited

@Magical Sheep That's not a study proving your claim

Read the first sentence

Nope

He is not a credited scientist