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Well I have, and clearly he's not "up for enlightenment"
The groups name is info-wars, information is defined as the facts provided, and war is defined as a state of competition or hostility between different people or groups. Nobody has ever won a war armed with insults.. Information wins the war. If you aren't interested in conducting strategic warfare with facts and just hurl repetitive insults, you are pretty much a snowflake. All I'm trying to convey to you is this, if he is your enemy, then compete with him on the same terms. If he puts his facts forward, then you counter his facts with your facts. If you don't, then he inevitably wins the battle. Treat all engagements like this going forward, and pick your battles wisely, and commit to it.
not like I did but whatever, done with it
@Sheamus That's the thing , they literally don't have any empirical / scientific data. They have no repeatable experiments. They have no proof of any of their theories. They don't even have observational evidence. On top of that, they don't even have the evidence of their own senses. We as human beings do not experience or observe the alleged axial rotation, same goes for curvature as per eight inches multiplied by the distance in miles squared. Conclusion: Because we do not experience this motion naturally, the burden of proof is on the globe community to prove their model. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All you need to to is open your eyes and your mind. People look, but they don't see.
And if you guys are not sure what you're looking for here... the point is not if the line of the horizon looks like it may or may not have a bit of curvature to it. The problem is why and how can the line of the horizon be in the middle of the picture when you are one hundred and fourteen thousand feet ABOVE the spinning ball? The line of the horizon is ALWAYS in the middle of the picture - regardless if you are at ten feet altitude or one hundred thousand feet. This phenomenon is only possible on an extended flat plane.
Just a question, you must be as "narrow" minded as the video footage on the high altitude Balloon... If that 120 degree angle still give you a flat image, imagine how big the earth is... Because if you would have taken the beloon away even more, you also could have seen the earth is round(sphere)... But now you will say that when the baloon was sent up, it was the centre of the earth.... It must have taken you a long time to convince yourself to believe the earth is flat....
And how big is the "flat" earth...
Where your ballon taken further away so that you could se complete edge of the flat earth?...
If not I must probably start telling people the earth is square?
The flat earth is an extended flat plane - it may be infinite but we don't know. And if earth is so big that you can't see the curvature, how can you see ships disappear "over the curvature"?
Beacause of weather conditions
It's called an AirPLANE for a very good reason. Because it flies in the air over a plane...
Flat earth is a psy op to discredit the "truth movement" as to hide legitimate conspiracies.
There's supposed to be so much curvature that no pilot would ever gave to climb up to gain altitude. All you need is to take-off , level out immediately and wait for the ground to drop away from underneath the aircraft. Referencing the above chart, you can see that the amount of curvature drop-off over five hundred miles is 31.7 miles. To put that into perspective - airliners cruise at around six to seven miles altitude. So for a one hour flight at five hundred miles an hour, with 167378 feet of expected curvature drop-off, the ground under the aircraft would be dropping away at a staggering 2789 feet per minute. To put that into perspective for you, a Boeing 737 has climb rate of around 1800 feet per minute. The earth is a lot smaller than what you have been taught.
With "drop-off" you're still experiencing gravity - orbital forces - so you stay relative to earth
You are welcome to use "Gravity" in your arguments, but you need to prove it first. Flat Earth is not about theorizing or speculation.
OK, but one question - why does the spherical earth theory explain all observable phenomena (like sun/moon/star movement patterns)?
But there is no workable flat-earth model
@Newscat ZA You only assume it does, the Heliocentric model does not, can not and will not ever be able to describe even the length of day or the occurrence of seasons. Quoting heaven and Earth by Gabrielle Henriette:
The earth is tilted lol
A sphere is a sphere, you can tilt it any way you like, the line of shadow will not change.
um lol
Do you even know how it works?
The sun is approximately one hundred and nine times wider than the earth, therefore by all mathematical and scientific properties of a sphere, exactly fifty percent of the Earth's surface must always be illuminated. Do an experiment, you'll see. The earth also (allegedly) has a uniform motion of rotation (it doesn't slow down or speed up - it's a constant speed). If the earth was a spinning ball as per the Heliocentric model, the sun would rise at 6am and set at 6pm for all countries around the world, year round. Also, if the earth rotated around the sun, day and night would swap around every six months. Get your head around that one. The ball model simply does not work, not logically or scientifically.
50% always illuminated = yes it is ...
6 to 6 all coutries = no the earth is tilted
Have you built a little model to test it?
have a look
One axial rotation every 24 hours - with 50% of the surface area in the sunlight.... makes twelve hour days and twelve hour nights year round for all countries on earth. How do you explain seasonal changes when earth has a constant motion of rotation?
"all countries" - no man, the ocean gets a lot of sun
Also how did you measure the alleged tilt of the earth?
go build a model then we talk again
Off course - all knowledge is fundamentally theoretical
Flat Earth is science all the way.
Why is there no working model of flat earth?
You only assume there's no working model because you haven't been researching the phenomenon for the last two years.
This is roughly what it looks like. https://youtu.be/T5HThnlBpi8
I've looked at a few, then lost interest
none of them made sense
Is that one a working model?
Look outside your window dude. It works pretty well as you can see.
Show me the curvature. Show me the axial rotation. Show me proof of gravity. You need absolute evidence for all three of those to even have a sniff.
I don't expect to see a curvature when I look out the window - I'm guessing, but I'd have to be something like 1000 x bigger to see it. You can't "see" axial rotation - that's like saying - "can you see my love/hate for you?" You CAN however see the effects, like day and night. When I jump off a building I can experience the effects of gravity. What do you mean with "absolute evidence" - your last sentence doesn't make sense.
But anyways - we can chat again later! I have to go get some work done ๐
You can tag me some responses if we should continue the discussion
Because you can not prove the alleged axial rotation rotation of the earth, you are assuming it's real. So this is just speculation on your part isn't it? How, when and where was the speed of the axial rotation of the earth measured, and what instruments were used? With all due respect Sir, I don't care for your opinion on the matter. You need to bring science and scientific data. Experiments and such.
This experiment uses an actual aircraft directional heading indicator to prove that the earth is completely and utterly motionless. If you are interested in the subject matter - this is one of the most important bits of Flat Earth evidence you'll find anywhere. I implore the reader to watch the entire two-hour video and read this well-researched article. Gyroscopes are the ball-earth's worst nightmare and is un-debunkable.
@Deejay from Earth good one on the gyro proof
@rob Cheers bud
Good to see some decent engagement among everyone, some real discord on discord here lol ๐ DeeJay you hold your ground firmly, if there was anything that would ever prove you wrong, what would that be? I'm curious to know whether there is any hard evidence that would you would consider undeniable if presented to you? ๐ค
@Sheamus Thanks and what a great question. I love questions even more than answers - answers are over so quickly - but the real joy is in the journey to the answer. Getting back to your question - if a Globulist was going to try and prove the movement of the earth - what if I told you this heading indicator used in the video is the one instrument that is capable of doing it. So basically they would have to do a similar experiment with similar verified equipment - and get the exact opposite result.
@Deejay from Earth what about a rocket ride up into space to see earth for yourself? Lol, if some billionaire offered you that opportunity, would you take it, and if the earth is a globe from up there, would you embrace it?
@Deejay from Earth I will pledge my life savings and my body to go with you beyond the ice wall if you can find a boat.
You basically need one of those, an air-compressor and some valve bits and bobs.
@Deejay from Earth Let's settle this mystery then once and for all.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG ok cool lets do it
@Deejay from Earth I'm not kidding dude. I will seriously go just to know once and for all.
You don't even have to leave your house.
No. If I don't get to scale that wall and find the nights watch on the other side, it is bs ๐
If those maps are legit and that one american navy officer who claimed that there is more land beyond the poles are legit then I want to see it.
We can stop at new swabia
The challenger "disaster" was a complete hoax.
I'm pretty sure you will run into some kind patrol, if I'm not mistaken, apparently there are no go areas towards the Antarctic that will force you to turn around, or it could also be part of the conspiracy.
Would love to explorer the perimeter.
You'd need a submarine though.
I feel like we should be able to construct a proof based on known distances
in the north vs southern hemisphere
ASGARD.
I did cape town and beiruit but maybe 33 degrees isn't far enough south
Yeah i wouldn't mind an adventure either, and see what there really is. If there will be a journey to the other side, I'll join in.
@rob To prove ball earth, you need to: 1. Prove curvature exists as per eight inches multiplied by the distance in miles squared. 2. Prove that earth does rotate. 3. Prove Gravity. All of this as per the commonly agreed upon scientific method. There's a lot of semantics and this is a HUGE field, but that is where the game is.
@Sheamus I'm serious. I have been looking into it for a few years and I'm not convinced unless I can climd that damn wall and find the nights watch on the other side.
If new swabia is there I want to see it. If there is another continent, I want to see it.
@Deejay from Earth what I'm saying is that the distances predicted by latitudes should not match up with the distances measured on the ground
also length of twilight and sunset and sunrise times at various latitudes
we have good independently measured data for distances between cities
That's why so many ships sank in Antarctica in the early days of exploring. They were using the wrong map. ๐
@$P!KY\/!k!NG I'm serious too, if there will be such a journey, I'll be on board, I'm more inclined to follow that than take the risk to Mars to be honest.
People have died and or gone missing.
south atlantic is a scary place
What adventure is without its risks
But I want to get some data together and tell you about a certain Mr August Picard. Gimme a few. Also chilling a bit.
Popular Science Mazine - August 1931. Page 23. "Ten Miles High in an Air-tight ball".
When asked about what the Earth looked like, Picard said "It looked like a flat disk with an upturned edge"
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