Is that a spare ammo holder in the stock?

this shit right here

nice, I like that one

That does look like it might be functional

The grip seems a bit too curved to work well as an axe. If the head were rotated 180 degrees it would make more sense

But it might not be intended for use; it might be some smith's masterpiece and just meant to look impressive

Which one? The pistol?

it's from a video game so it's not really meant to be realistically functional lol

yeah

Because I would say that if you twisted the axe head to the side, it would make sense.

However, there are axes with that much of a bend near the head that work

That would cause it to lose some impact due to rotation

That bend allows for a stronger impact

that much bend going *back* though? If it were the other way around it would be more like a kukri

Because it means you swing is that much farther along before the head impacts

Do you have any examples, because I've never seen an axe like that

Yeah, I'll have to look up a few

Awesome, thanks

I'll have to look later, but watch a few of skallagrim's video on YouTube on axes

just looking at the thumbnails a see a couple tool axes with a very slight backwards bend, but a tool axe and a battle axe are very different things

That fictional TT-33 pistol with a shotgun could actually be practical if the shotgun part would use the internally sealed rounds

based on other types of weapons, a forward-angled blade should be perfectly fine

reminds me of the lematt revolver

works in most things that are considered between an axe and a sword

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/c7/9c/09c79caaa536030ff0e3a6b3f48b695c.jpg

this thing

Basically it is a round that has a piston that pushes the bullet out

Right, but the beak opposite of the axe is a bit too curved it seems to make use of the forward curve.

And seals gasses in

Maybe the axe fell off at some point and was put on backwards?

I'm not at my computer, @Schedrevka when I am, I'll find what I'm looking for. One of his videos does have a polearm style axe I think with a pretty noticable bend.

idk it looks fine to me

based on stuff like uhhh

kukri's are pretty popular

yeah, which is why if it were turned it would make sense

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mst-open-fired.jpg

idk it seems fine, usually you aim to hit with the center area, but again, it's a video game weapon so 🤷🏻

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oh, I was talking about the flintlock above it

The native americans actually made some clubs based off of rifle stocks since they work pretty well for that

ah that lmao

yeah

and i just thought of a great example too

Where's that from?

the philippenes

I was going to guess SEA

i fukkin love filipino weapons ngl

that or africa

Yeah they have some really unique ones

this is now pre-firearms chat

Theres quite the variety in melee weapons in SEA for some reason

Some areas just seemed to experiment more. Like india for example

well there''s a pretty big variety just about everywhere really

except the japs, who could only ever figure out 2 melee weapon designs

I mean its them making the most out of their meagre iron deposits

Hey, they had katanas, big katanas, small katanas, katanas on sticks... the list could go on!

Like, bladed, and spears?

That was it.

i really dislike japanese melee weapons, to the surprise of everyone i've ever met

They definitely have a certain elegance to them, but aside from gimmick weapons like kusarigama they really don't have much variety

I think they are overrated. But in their context, it was the best they could do

And I think they did a good job at that

They Ainu people had some interesting sword designs

yeah i'll give them that the design of the katana was effective for the materials they had

I think its reflective of their entire culture. Low metal deposits and quality meant having to make the most out of little.

Isolated nation, meant that they could count on almost everyone using the same designs.

Yeah, they didn't have much as far as resources go, but I think it's mainly their isolationism and traditionalism that led to their stagnant designs

So it became a skill competition, not a tech one

and a 'why fix what isn't broke' situation

It's very weird that shields weren't ever really used by the lesser armored troops though

Unless you go back to pre-nippon 'japan'

shields were weirdly unpopular in asia

Thats what their armor was for. The only thing they needed shields were against archers.

compared to europe at least

Also the tsuba fucking sucks for hand protection. A simple crossguard adds so much more hand protection than you'd expect

But since, when it came to melee, you want the greater advantage when it comes to weapon handling.

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Shields kinda interfered with taht

katanas being 2 handed weapons kinda makes using a shield difficult tho

Yeah, but most would be using Yari

You need 2 hands to cut with it properly

Not everyone was a Samurai with heavy armor

yeah but JDM you have to consider the possibility that you may get a plastic toy instead

Its a damn expensive plastic toy

not when the seller feed back is 40K +

5 star

plus paypal buyer protection

oh true

Ebays pretty reputable right?

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@GingaBomber yes buy from stores with good rep you'll be fine

Damn it, and Im living in backwards SEA drooling over the stuff Americans can do.

even then, paypal buyer protection is pretty insane

can't hear you

part one done

922R complied with

Anyone here watch Firepower United? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4W5cXaFL2M

Silly malasian guns

What the fuck are those

people who live in Malaysia

ok

all done

time to clean up for a pic

Guns, what guns? What are these melei guns you speak of?

Guns are the great equalizer, which basically means communism. Swords are where it's at :^)

But for real guns did a lot for bringing equality to the world. Before guns power was controlled by the wealthy, because armor was so damn expensive+effective. Only the rich could afford it, and afford to arm troops with it. After guns became a viable option even a peasant could be a threat to the knightly class.

https://imgur.com/ni25uwr

I need a bunch of 10/30's

I don't have any

loading the 10's is not easy

Oh shit we got a Gun Talk

Cool shit

Approved

Anyone ever check out those .22 PPS50s?

nope

I'm not really a .22lr fan

I think it's good for three things

1) Training people who have no idea wtf a gun is or how it works

2) Handgun practice, reproduction models in 22lr are EXCELLENT for this purpose

3) 100-250 yard target shooting, especially in variable wind conditions

ideally with a bolt action but it honestly doesn't matter

I only have a savage FVSR

the rest are gone

it's pretty cheap to shoot I just don't get why anyone would

Maybe chase after a 9mm carbine

Don't get me wrong, I just think it'd be a blast to inexpensively shoot with a fifty round plinker

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Finally, a bot that does something useful!

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Apart from the G36 handle/scope thing, I find this thing a match made in heaven

AR15 in-line bolt feeding froma P90 magazine. Uhmph

hickhock 45 does some great videos too

We have a firearms chat?

Woo

wew that thing is pretty sexy lookin

Anyone got news on the Railgun that i think MIT or DARPA is working on?

Shelved last I heard, but they aren't scrapping it.

I mean, last I heard its still too heavy for infantry use. Still probably a cheaper replacement for dealing with missiles or mortar fire.

it won't be too heavy in microgravity, which means the SPACE FORCE WILL HAVE RAILGUNS

I did not consider that possibility

space force will need rail guns. it'll be just like ALIENS with the CMC

Though, id imagine the soldiers going crazy for the lack of recoil

nuke shit from orbit

Railguns would probably create less heat than traditional firearms which is important for space force infantry

Too used to expecting recoil

Since there's no air for the heat to dissipate through in space

I find that absolutely fascinating. Wierd I thought liquids freeze in space.

space weapons will likely consist of a lot of railguns and compressed air guns

since compressed air would work way better in a vacuum

Then again, there no atmosphere stopping the heat from the sun

Battles in space will be wierd as well. Vaccum means lack of sound.

So if you were not watching out, well, your buddies could have been blown up under your nose.

i imagine space warfare will basically be exclusively vehicle warfare though

possibly with boarding operations

I mean you need alot of propulsion in space, a suit wont have enough space for that

yeah, unless we figure out some really crazy tech

And fights in the air happen over hundereds of meters, you can barely see your opponent most of the time.

oh yeah it will be at absurd distances

Imagine that in space, might be kilometers apart

You cant fight infantry in space

With infantry

later down the line ships could be fighting each other from interplanetary distances

let's see your space jetpack get you to mars before the sedan-sized raingun rounds hit you lmao

Well lazers will be very popular in space id reckon, and missiles

And railguns would be the equivalent of a musket vs a crossbow. Id imagine electricity plus some material for rounds is cheaper than nrining up alot of traditional ordinance.

the interesting thing about lasers is the ultimate defense against them is just to polish the shit out of your ship

so all ships designed for warfare will have a mirror-finish, making lasers completely ineffective lol

Make them very reflective.

Railguns are going to be king then I assume?

Just some power and material for the shot.

railguns will most likely be the emergency short-range weapons, for long-range they'll most likely be firing nuclear missiles

because space is effectively immune to the radiation that makes nukes such an environmental problem on planets

Fair enough. Id imagine people up there are gonna need insane shades

Excuse me but you're ignoring the possibility of vehicles that function as infantry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvs_f5MwT04

this guy's great for topics like this

he's got a speech impediment tho so subtitles recommended

Space warfare is interesting considering there is no up or down

yeah it always makes me sad when space warfare is depicted as a bunch of ships that happen to be along a flat plane with the "tops" of the ships all pointing the same direction

Speaking of nukes it's scary just how much the ww2 nukes look like toys compared to what we can make in modern times

they were cute little chubby bomb-bois

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/09/12/in-search-of-a-bigger-boom/

We won't get power armor or rail guns until we figure out a good enough battery. High storage and rapid transfer of energy.

yeeeah chemical batteries aren't super efficient

The honorverse books depict the most realistic space battle imo

3d submarine warfare + hugekoad amount of missiles

sounds about right

I like that guy

isaac

I'm slowing getting used to his voice

he jokes about it

so it's ok in my book

FLCL color

isaac is great i love him

my gf calls me a nerd for watching him :c

you are a nerd

and you don't have a gf

oi i'm not THAT much of a stereotype

I am

o

fuck

the paint totally fucked up when it dried on this after a week

er

month

I was using it earlier this week and a large crack formed

I think I'm going to just strip it

and not re-paint it

cast steel should be fine for a finish

maybe I could blue it tho

ah, did i see someone has read the Honorverse books?

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@Schedrevka sorry it took me so long, was with family yesterday. Here is the video where he talks about axes with that much of an angle to the axe https://youtu.be/rT67k_3hkrc?t=598

(yes, i know it says fantasy but he brings up a historical example to reference a Tacticool axe)

http://norskevaapen.no/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/P10201471-1024x565.jpg

http://norskevaapen.no/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ABoks.jpg

@Grenade123 Thanks for remembering. Those are some really interesting pieces. Especially for the 17th century. I wonder if they were meant to be used more similarly to a bill. Their horn is positioned well for stabbing, but they don't seem to have a false edge, so I doubt that was too effective. Maybe they're shaped like that to better disrupt pike formations?

also better for striking targets that are lower

so perhaps it helped with aiming for legs

or maybe better for stabbing like you said

who knows, but they did it for a reason

maybe they just found it made it a more well rounded tool

didn't lose much of its combat ability but easier to chop wood.

i could see that being the case for the pistol one

still works for self defense, but also a survival tool

maybe that pistol attachment wasn't meant for combat.

hence the problem with holding it

I can't imagine it being practical as a tool. Maybe just a gimmick for some rich dude to show off to his friends, or for a smith to show off his skill

It's cool whatever the reason

if you look at the physics, the best part of the chopping force is in the dead center of the blade. The power comes from how far your arms. With that angle, your arms can travel farther while still hitting with the center of the blade.

look at things like a circle, with your arm going from the center to the edge, and the head of the axe sticking out just beyond the edge of the circle.

now lets say 0 is vertical, and 90% is perfectly horizontal

if you have a normal axe, in which the head is inline with the handle, more or less, to get the head down so that its perfectly perpendicular to the ground, which would put all the force from the swing going down into the ground, you can only go from 0 degrees to 90 degrees.

with the head titled back, you need to go past 90 degrees, to get the head perpendicular to the ground

this gives you more of an are to swing, without changing the starting position

I don't know. That really doesn't seem like it'd make much difference. You don't need your hands to be below your waist to hit max acceleration. There's a reason that wasn't the norm throughout history, but there's got to be a reason they chose to do it there.

I really think if it's done for any reason it's for stabbing, or hooking. Could even just be that it isn't a detriment to its function and was done for fashion.

well, its also possible it just fit better in their kits

also i was talking about it being a tool for chopping wood. where you use the weight of the axe to do the chopping, i.e. its accelerated by gravity.