This solves a whole lot of problems.

"But what if they have no citizenship anywhere? What if their home countries won't take them back?"
I don't think that'll happen nearly as much as people are afraid it will, but eh, we'll figure that out.

We can't let the outlier define the rule.

guess what happens if you don't define the rule by the outlier... everyone somehow seems to forget what country they came from.

...what? lol

"we deport you to mexico" - "but i'm not from mexico" - "so where are you from?" - "why would i tell you?"

you HAVE to account for that

Go by the nationality of the parents.

why would they tell you?

Well they obviously came from somewhere.

sure

how do you know where they were coming from?

I think it's a safe bet if they only speak spanish, look latino, and don't have any legal documentation and are here illegally in the first place.

spain?

..you do know that there are vast differences between Spain and Mexico, right? Even Mexican "Spanish" is not even 'proper' Spanish anymore.

i do know that... can you prove it?

Here e go with the runaround again.

"You don't have the perfect solution that can account for every little thing, therefore it is invalid."

and if you don't, why would mexico take them?

Because they're already mexican citizens.

are they? why would mexico not just say otherwise?

Then we make Mexico take them back.

I ask, what is the point of immigration laws, then, if you just let people come in by the millions and do nothing about it?

"Oh well, they're here anyway."

Why even have an immigration policy?

That's just open borders.

you have to account for people that do not cooperate, otherwise no one will cooperate

that statement is quite a bit different than calling for open borders 😉

Then they should be made to leave. The law should be enforced in the same way that any law is enforced.

It's still open borders in function.

The effect is the same.

sure, but you need a way to properly enforce it and that has to take into account that some people will not give you the information what country they are coming from.

hey mexico, take this venezuelan or we make you is not really helpful 😉

It would be in their interest to make sure that the person is from Venezuelan then, wouldn't it?

There's not going to be a perfect/clean solution to this. The only way for this to end perfectly is if we enforced immigration law in the first place and just not let them come here illegally.

It will be messy.

That's just life.

it would be in their interest not have the US try and send Venezuelans to their country in the first place 😉

you HAVE to rely on others when it comes to immigration, there is no way around it

So because some outliers and of some people that won't cooperate, we shouldn't enforce immigration policy?

no. you should find a way to account for the outliers

Frankly, I myself personally don't care, since again they're here illegally in the first place.

preferably one that does not include executions 😄

If they get lost in the system, that's the risk *they* took in coming here illegally.

"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

If they want to get lost/stranded in some other country they know nothing of because they don't want to cooperate, that's on them.

the point is that you need to know where you can send them, which includes the information where they came from and/or a country that is willing to take them

They got here on their own well enough, they can make it back.

okay. how do you make sure of it? knock on their door and tell them to leave?

you should get a shithole country to take everyone you send there 😄

if that country is worse than where they originally came from they will at least tell you their origin 😄

You mean returning people to the country they illegally came into ours from? Yes.

not every country outside of the US is a shithole

I didn't say that.

You're the only one that's been meaning s-hole countries here. lol

in fact there are more then enough countries that see the US as a shithole 😉

I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion, but OK?

i'm not hyperbolic in the slightest here 😄

If they think the US is an s-hole then why are they here?

they probably aren't 😄

Funny that. lol

Besides, it's easy to sit on-high and judge the US when your country (not you-you, a hypothetical other person I'm addressing as 'you') is not facing the same issues.
Unless it's being overrrun by roving islamic migrants, in which case the policy very much still applies. lol

i would not want to move to the US for example (i don't think it's a shithole but there is a lot of stuff that makes me not want to move there)

And yeah, I wonder if there's a reason *why* the US is starting to turn into an s-hole. <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

decades of corruption in politics

pretty much is a guarantee for it

For the most part.

at least here it is illegal to bribe politicians 😄

I came from southern California, though, I lived the influx of illegals flooding into our country in real time. I've seen neighborhoods turn into utter garbage, including the one I grew up on.

the neighborhood i grew up in is crazy expensive now 😄

I realize the way I speak, most people would confuse me for a white nationalist, and maybe partly I am idk. My issue with the large amounts of immigrants and the mass migration is that these people don't assimiliate with the culture of their host countries. They just form shanty towns wherever they settle down in large numbers, effectively turning parts of their host country into something much more resembling they place they came from.

but overall, like i said earlier: take in refugees, educate them and then send them back when the crisis is over. allow immigration only from people that would be able to support themselves.

you don't sound like richard spencer yet 😉

That's all well and good, but that doesn't fix the issue we have with the people here already.

apply the second part

That's a good policy *going forward*, after we've solved the issue, but that's not going to happen the way things are going right now.

or combine the second part with the first one...

I've been talking about trying to apply the second part this whole time. lol

and in principle i'm agreeing with that (obviously, i said it 😉 ) but my point is that it is easier said then done.

Although there are plenty of things I do agree with the altright on, just not a lot of their solutions.
I'd be more on-board with the alt right if they'd just shut up about "da joos."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LXwo3WGyXc

the juice is a niners player.

"I'm looking for my friend 'Da', last name 'Joos.'"

but Joos is a first name?

Some people have some weird names, sometimes.

That's one thing I like about Tim's server.

We can just talk/discuss ideas without it devolving into just cussing or personal attacks.

~~Mostly.~~

i only use cussing and personal attacks when i quote american presidents 😄

but yeah... it's all very reasonable here

fuck you

also, good morning

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okay... that's insulting! good morning at 4pm 😄

hey... tim said yesterday that a new video is coming out right about now 😄

OK? lol

I feel sad for the car 😁

Same

My most racist inclination I think is that I avoid white trucks if at all possible, they're always driven by assholes lol