if that is fixed I'd be happy

and because those people can't think for themselves, we set up these laws/constitutions, because they need a guiding hand on what is sane to do

intelligent rational people wouldn't need the 1st amendment amongst each other (like we do here) because we understand the importance of exploring any ideas, even once that seem bad/distasteful

But idiots would see it as an attack and try to silence dissent, hence a 1st amendment needs to be there to protect free thinking from those silencing people

The only reason why companies and govts listen to idiots is because they now have money that has been gifted to them

You want a revolution? Thats how you start one, create a society of havenots large enough.

Welfare isnt a perfect solution either, you will always have people who cant contribute

Welfare must be abolished

complektely

Whats fucked is how they are given out

welfare should be there for people who CANT work,
Not for people who DONT WANT to work

@Dr.Wol Most people don't need the frist amendment because they will just do what they are told. If a society is run by good people the average people will be good, if a socierty has bad leaders the average people will be bad.

noone should have a safenet from the govt

I think he wants charity instead actually

the safenet is ur family and friends

That I can kinda understand

there is no way of having welfare that will not be completely corruptded

is better to get rid of it completely

Thing is, you end up throwing the baby with the bathwater that way.

@Deleted User yes, but the bad leaders wil influence the sheeple into removing dissent, so that no one is around to tell the world how bad the leaders are, and it will cause stagnation

In a functioning society there is work for everybody

there is no point in having a safenet

safenets make ppl lazy and parasitic

Kinda idealist then

not at all

@Dr.Wol Yes I agree that is what is happening right now.

Thing is, there will always be unemployment. In a perfect situation, it will only be comprised of the maimed and injured, or the ones transitioning

Not saying they deserve welfare

I've never been unemployed

when I didnt have a job I worked on my own stuff

and I still was generating and acumulating resources

i'll side with Ivanfr on this one though

The main issue for unemployment in America right now is that theres more workers than there are jobs

Also alot of jobs moved to thrid world countires.

exactly

Eh I was arguing definitions. Theres always the sick, the pregnant, and the transitioners.

ppl just want to be told what to do and behave like robots

thats not necessarily true

but in reality there is always things to do

there are a lot of jobs that are open but not enough qualitied people to fill them

The sick the pregnant etc will have a family and friends that care for them

if the govt keeps care of u then there is no incentive in forming relationships with ppl

Like I said, no argument ther

there are lots of people who have no college degrees nor previous experience in the relevant field, but have no money to get a college degree nor people willing to hire them so they can get experience

I am only saying that 0% unemployment is not possible

depends what u define as unemployment

sitting in the sofa is unemployment

cutting wood and planting food is not

even if u are not earning money

Actually, more like getting wages

Like say, unpaid leave

THats technically employed still

there is no real good way to fix that problem, but if a coal miners job goes away, he is pretty much SOL unless he can find a way to learn a relevant skill for the markets today, which may be difficult if they are in their 50s

@GingaBomber Full employment is possible and has been achived by many societies like national socialist Germany.

Theres the injured as well, some jobs are hazardous

Those were different times though

Killing the ones who cant work dont count

well full employment is possible if you just kill people who don't fit in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FUZFy9Nd9s

Its a solution all right, but I wont appreciate getting firing squad for loosing a hand

unemployed ppl just are not willing to work for cheap

And i kind of agree grenade,

But my argument was for the fact that theres people who can't get "any" job due to the lowest paid ones being overly filled
You are absolutely right theres plenty of Higher up jobs that need people

u can go to a bar right now and say I will wash ur dishes for 1 dollar

3rd world people taking jobs. And causing the expected pay to go down

So pride is the issue here I think you are gtting at

No respect for that profession

Back in Nazi times there was factory work that needed to be done, so any menial labor person could find work

The issue with modern times is that those jobs are nullified due to 1 robot being able to outwork 10 people and run 24/7 essentially at less pay

And ofc outsourcing to 3rd world countries

AND importing illegals etc and other low-skilled workers who work for lower wages

And well, the amount of intelligence required for the easier jobs has increased the threshold

thus the bottom of the pyramid gets ballooned up

Ask any homeless person if they will do X task for u for cheap $, they will say no

"hey guys, i have an idea. Lets solve homelessness by throwing all the homeless in jail. Then they are not homeless! Sure, the incarcerated popular will increase but thats not where we are looking"

Then you gotta pay them more than how much they get bgging

well thats not unemployment then

its lazyness

and being a parasite

Or smart really

thats actually an issue in Netherlands here
welfare pays as much as minimum wage

So theres people actively refusing to work because they get paid the same for doing nothing
And they can then work illegally and get 2 paychecks basically

thats why I dont give money to homeless ppl

Saying there is no use for a % of humans in a society is just untrue

they just dont want to work

if u take welfare away they will work

ask any person that has a company, big or small, they complain they cant find competent ppl

I can understand the sentiment

and no grenade, we should solve homeless people, like that leader in i believe the philipines, wants to solve the drug addiction problem,
have police shoot and kill addicted people 😛

they have business models that can work with more ppl but there is not enought ppl that are willing to work

Well its a matter of charity outweighing the benefits of hard work

Like that issue with welfare in the netherlands like jay said

@Deleted User do you have any proof anything in nazi germany was sustainable? I mean, he was in power for like about 20 years, and more than half of that was in war either rapidly expanding, consuming the resources of near by countries, or losing.

I mean, rome was powerful, but it was also built on conquest

They were running out of land to give their auxillaries

Powerful it was, but I dont think that was sustainable

The german model was sustained through imperialism, much like America after the great depression,

Have everyone build arms, tanks/guns/ammo etc

And then conquer other countries, and pay for all the wages/expenses by plundering the wealth of the nations you conquer

Oh thats what its called

@Dr.Wol but there is totally nothing wrong with the ability to call your neighbor a drug dealer to get him thrown out of helicopter so you can take his stuff. /s

I know grenade, it was a joke 😛

its absolute insanity how that is a thing in the philipines

Actually is that even true? have friends in the phillipines and they never hear about it, then again, govr owned papers.

But youd think they would proudly put it in their papers if the people really loved that solution

I'm not sure if it was the Philipines 😦 but it was a thing in one of those countries

No I am sure it was a philly thing

i believe it was the Philipines, but i could be waaay off 😛