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the state worked with businesses to eliminate competition, that's not unusual
the mises article is blatant propaganda, claiming that *any* government interference, even mild spending for job creation, would inevitably lead to socialism. it also called the nazi's economic policy effectively keynesian, despite keynesian economics being the standard in most developed nations, without leading to socialism (and the nazis privatising a hell of a lot more than keynesianism would support)
the historylearningsite article is very interesting, although it makes no mention of nationalisation or socialism
now, the final link is what satisfies me the most. it mentions the specific industries that the state controlled (mining and arms industry, anything directly related to rearmament), and describes how the government cooperated with businesses like IG Farben (my university's namesake)
sup with the bombs?
It claims that interference leads to more interference, and it does. Further, one mode of fascist thought was effectively akin to fattening up a pig before eating it- wherein you bolster the private market before turning around and effectively harvesting it
lol
first time i've heard of that description of fascist economics lol
but that would sound neither capitalist nor socialist imo
and afaic it's not government interference in the economy that makes further interference necessary, but the existence of an economy in the first place
an economy can only exist with state enforcement. there cannot be an economy without government interference, it's simply a matter of whom the interference favours, and how much
As described ideally, Nazis would look at current American oversight in its economy and say "Eh, close enough."
They would ideally want more oversight, but its workable.
Socialism is just a transitionary state between capitalism and communism in which a dictatorship assumes control of the market "on behalf of the people" ultimately
But there's also a school of thought that holds socialism as the end goal
the US likes the private sector, and mostly focuses on military, so maaaybe the nazis would nod with approval
but they also wanted total war, which the US hasn't had in a while afaik @Bookworm
I'm just saying, we have the biggest, best funded military in the world.
Kind of criminal we haven't expanded our borders in half a century.
marxists see socialism (dictatorship of the proletariat) as a transition to communism (stateless, moneyless, classless society), aye
Right, so what makes that different from a fascist end state that controls the economy centrally?
where would you expand? Mexico or Canada? Eastern Russia? some more impoverished islands? @Bookworm
It's done for the glory of the nation, or for the volk
Africa. Almost no international oversight, rich natural resources, resistance would be almost nonexistent.
spicy
@Beemann socialism in the marxist sense has no private ownership of the means of production
in other words, no private business, no private property, only personal and state property
that's completely opposed to the nazi's pursuit of privatisation
USSR had private property and wages
The point is to transition
that's why they called themselves state capitalist
The USSR called themselves socialist
why you stick to terms they used to describe them selfs?
instead of focusing in reality what it was and how things worked?
they wanted to transition to socialism through a short state capitalist period
they called themselves communist, *ideologically*, but that doesn't reflect what their state looked like
State capitalism is the people's republic of markets
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woke
except without markets
And without republics
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gonna head off to sleep now
nice talking ๐
Hereโs the Vox article Tim covered today. Archived and ready to share .
โ A menโs right activist sued a womenโs beer event โ by Rebecca Jennings on Vox
This article criticizes an activist for suing business owners that discriminate based on gender. They lionized a woman raising money to fight against victims of discrimination based on Californiaโs laws. It also claims that civil rights were just about cutting down white, cis, heterosexual, men.
http://archive.today/2rrOm
I hope that all the talk of gender equality can actually be used to promote men's rights.
We have paid lip service to it long enough.
people say toxic masculinity is a problem but frankly i don't see it
you know what toxic masculinity gave us
over-the-top action films from the 1980s
pretty good
If toxic masculinity is real, is toxic femininity?<:TimThink:482277772497125378>
that would be uh
butch lesbians?
dunno
feminists๐
and soy boys.
the nanny state
no playing outside
so britain
no wait
south korea's shadow government
elite women controlling a supposed president
now there's toxic femininity
hence why porn is banned there for no good reason
โ Conspiracy theories about Soros arenโt just false. Theyโre anti-Semitic โ by Talia Lavin on Washington Post
WP claims that the criticism of how George Soros uses his wealth and connections to manipulate politics around the world for his globalist agenda is anti-Semitic just because heโs Jewish.
http://archive.today/jvHVf
oy vey, you cant criticize chosen people.
you dirty goym
Shit! Am I banned from Israel now?!?
Well, let's be frank here, there's literally no proof that he's actively manipulating politics around the world, so much as being a political philantropist. And if he was, he's doing a really shit job at it.
you are under arrest for using basic logic and reasoning.
shoud have listened chosen people.
If you cant see by now that the Jews play both sides of the field and fucking with everyone you need to open your eyes. ๐
Ok that should put me on some list
haha
called it
I honestly can't tell if this is serious anti-semitism, or just straight up trolling xD
i'm 1/15th jewish
you are fake news
not allowed in the inner circle
I had a Jewish ancestor 5-10 generations ago.
Give me my fucking duel citizenship!
gas๐
Iโm calling the ADL
>visit another country to get stoned
>come back home
>25 to life for breaking local law in another country where it's legal
both koreas are equally a mess
Really? I think that's a bit disingenuous to say South Korea is as messed up as North Korea.
true
but like
there is no way south korea is first world
second world at best
their people are oppressed but not in the totalitarian fashion of their northern brother
How are South Koreans oppressed?
besides the porn ban and getting arrested for smoking weed in a foreign country
slavery is still a thing
the elderly and mentally challenged get abducted to work on remote island rice farms
younger people have more restricted internet access
as in they have a cyber curfew
electric fans have timers installed because they genuinely believe you can die from having a fan on overnight while you sleep
celebrity stalkers are 10x worse than the ones in america
you might come home and find a fan broke in and is waiting to kill you
or on occasion, perform on stage with your babypop band and then someone walks on stage and casually tries to kidnap you
it's a real mess
oh yeah and their homeless problem that makes LA's look like a joke
Why would you kidnap the elderly to work on rice farms?
That's just inefficient.
free labor and also because welfare programs are a very recent thing
so taking them elsewhere guarantees no free money for being old
I don't get the impression that everyone making claims against Soros are somehow anti semetic. Are some? Yeah probably. Then again, if he's a giant piece of shit, do I care if some people who blame him for shit are anti semetic?
He is absolutely a committed globalist who clearly dislikes borders for nation's since they prevent him from attaining cheaper labor.
I don't even think it's about money anymore.
No one sinks a billion dollars on a less than 100 percent chance for profits. That takes ideology.
george is probably a demented old man attempting to bring down the world by himself as a prank
Turns out he's a committed channer
He's been the guy posting "1488" this whole time
Wouldn't be out of character for him given his past
At his funeral it'll be a video of him saying goodbye and then evidence of all the ops he did. He was OG trolling. He did it for the lulz
Also, see Atkins posts earlier dissecting how poorly made the bomb was.
With the photos. You really don't have to be an explosives expert to tell what's wrong with them.
a pipebomb is really easy to make, if you're actually trying to make one
hardest component to acquire would be a blasting cap or commercial detonator
but if your main charge is black powder you can improvise one using easily available components.
we're talking hobby shop stuff.
actually you could probably cobble something together using steel wool
If you have any practical experience in something like thermodynamics or chemistry and can't figure something like this out...you should get a refund on your education. It's not hard.
30 years ago, high school students did this stuff all the time.
high order explosives tend to require actual detonators. while it would be possible for an amateur chemist to concoct something that could initiate something like that, it would be very, very dangerous. Fulminate group chems are dangerous as hell.
I meant, just make a pipe bomb that goes boom. Not a terribly good one.
It's why the people who work in IED factories tend not to have all their fingers.
This one is just that bad.
Yeah this one was obviously not a serious attempt.
It's meant to look scary.
Or was an attempt by someone who clearly didn't understand explosives.
Which, for example, rules out the 3%ers or minutemen immediately.
Or people in the army
Or...
Let's just say, it's not the people CNN has been saying would try something like this over the past couple years (before Trump even). They actually know what they'd be doing.
So if in a couple weeks the FBI says it was someone like that. We know something is wrong.
I hope it doesn't take that long. The media will get their preferred narrative straight by tomorrow morning and it'll be nothing but claims of right wing violence until the election. It's the counter to the "Jobs not Mobs" slogan.
Unfortunately, I think it just might.
I got a feeling what really is going to happen is this will be used to further censor social media and attack right-leaning outlets.
Even before we know what is going on.
OMFG
I called it!
They are not even TRYING. IT's not an honest mistake.
It's a bluff
The powder is harmless. It's not someone messing up, it's someone who is not TRYING to harm anyone.
This is for effect.
And it's probably a Democrat sending those who wants to give Dems a platform to score victim points, because it will just be buried post election.
I wouldn't jump anywhere close to that conclusion yet.
We just don't know who's behind it.
It's not a conclusion - it's a bet
Only that the bombs are rather incompetently made.
Ok. Fine, you can make bets.
Yes, and I will bet all my memes on this!
MUHAHAHAHAAH!
We shall see. I fully expect the secret service and FBI are already all over this.
Yes, as long as it's convenient, I'm sure.
Then, it gets memory holed, like Paddock.
No, you're talking about a threat to several major political figures.
If it's something that's convenient for the Democrat narrative, we can't keep it out of the news cycle, like that Hogg sperg.
The FBI is investigating. Now if they actually turn up anything, or if the media actually reports on what they find may be another story.
But they are definitely investigating.
If it's bad for Dems, it's gone within 24 hours.
Right ...
Juust like how things that are bad for the GOP get lost in the right-wing media space.
Also from your own linked article "As these conspiracies spread, liberal voices were just as quick to pin the blame on Republicans, without knowing anything about the bomber's identity or motives"
also a package was sent to the white house but i guess no one wants to talk about that
Apparently that was #fakenews
There was a retraction on that.
womp womp
ooga booga
Well this is interesting. Apparently Republicans (76%) and Democrats (44%) are more satisfied with American Democracy than independents (39%). Also interesting, the institution the Democrats trust most: *Amazon.*
Largest partisan gaps are The Executive Branch, Religion, Banks (right more trusting) and the Press, Universities and the FBI (left more trusting).
Also, the left dislikes "major companies" but has alot more faith in Google than the right.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/10/24/should-you-worry-about-american-democracy-heres-what-our-new-poll-finds/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a813f7f0b0db
The amazon results are a little weird. I'm not sure how to parse that.
Except to say that apparently you can crush your competition and get several times larger than Walmart and the left...will..apparently... What is GOING ON with this world?
The question must have been worded weird or something.
44% of Dems are satisfied with the state of democracy in the US? that's more than expected, but still low
funny how they love Google and Amazon :P
The company that knows everything about you and crushes all their competition by making sure no one learns of them and the company that has actually gotten 3x bigger than Walmart, treats their workers even worse and made local governments grovel and beg for HQ2.
Somehow both are more trustworthy for your average left-of-center voter than your average business.
It's just...so weird.
i wonder what how the question was phased about amazon
like is the confidence in said business just a matter of if you think it will fail or succeed
because i don't think anybody here is expecting amazon to fail, not a matter of liking it or not
I will say I trust Amazon to get me my 24 hour packages reliably ๐
*We asked respondents to indicate their level of confidence in 20 U.S. institutions.
The military, Google, and Amazon universally inspire a great deal of confidence. Political parties, Congress, and Facebook inspire low levels of confidence.
However, several stark differences in confidence in institutions emerge between respondents based on partisan affiliation.*
w/e
@pratel have you seen the xray photo? The bomb sent to cnn wasn't just incompetently made. There is zero chance that a person would tape down wires attached to nothing for anything other than aesthetic purposes.
Oh yeah, I was commenting on it with Atkins.
It was mindbogglingly bad.
It made some of those joke ones look legit
WE SHALL NOT REMEMBER THEM? Fury as Student Union boss vows to DEFACE war memorial
cunts
Suspected explosives sent to Biden, De Niro as investigation into pipe bombs intensifies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/25/mail-bomb-investigation-intensifies-suspicious-package-removed-robert-de-niros-building/
Biden and De Niro are shit bags, but I would never try to kill them.
Damn...
it doesn't say WHY she wants to deface the mural, does it? it was shortly mentioned, something along the lines of white men? but not clearly disclosed
oh
i'm talking about the Express article
i thought it was the most recent message ๐
We should make monuments that are just dongs
And place them outside of feminist classrooms
"(ch)Ode to Joy"
feminist classrooms? ๐ค do those exist? :p
gender studies, i guess
@Yuki I guess her reason was because they were white men
โMy intention was to promote strong, female leadership and not the eradication and disrespect of history."
Except how does eradicating a mural that has men indicate strong female leadership?
Surely, she could advocate that women consider signing up fr the army to give their lives for the sake of others,that would be leadership
Women don't want to contribute. They just want the glory.
And when they are done using men, they will happily eradicate their accomplishments.
Men have spent human history dying for their families, then their tribes, their countries - but women were oppressed.
The only way you can hold on to this kind of narrative for any length of time is in a profoundly sick and twisted society.
I wonder how someone with her mindset would react if conscription was for women, and a call for war happened tomorrow where all of her uni friends were killed
Would she think it was a good idea to talk about removing a mural that was dedicated in their honour?
Of course not, which just baffles me how things like this can become common sentiment, detached from all empathy
Pieces of shit who never had to sacrifice are unable to think such thoughts.
If it was the First World War again, the likes of her would be the women handing out white feathers.
If I had handed a white feather to a boy half my age, so he can die and I can sit my fat ass at home in the meantime, I would no longer be able to look at myself in the mirror. I would projectile vomit at my reflection.
I would just suggest that anyone wanting to do a similar thing would read more literature from the era. Theres stuff in All Quiet on the Western Front that gives you a harrowing example of the kinds of things these boys and men went through
I have no idea how such women are able to twist their sick mind into such pretzels as to gleefully demand the ultimate sacrifice from men several years their prior.
And then, that our society at large has the audacity to turn this onto its head as oppression is a kind of warped that is absolutely dazzling.
This is precisely the reason why I get sick every time Tim says he is a feminist, while he has such a rational mind on many other issues.
Oh I'm all for a kind of feminism that makes the playing field level, as in there would be equal demands upon men and women to defend their country
I'm sure Tim is for the female draft.
But it's not level.
It has never been and it will never been. Even when the letter of the law makes us equal, look at the sentencing bias, it's 60% on average.
Women have rights, Men have responsiblities
Women do not even get HALF the sentences men get.
Yeah, but you can have a way of thinking and wanting things to be that dont line up with sciety
The day women are held equally responsible is the day we've finally achieved equality, but one can only dream
I'm sure Tim is for strict educational control to enforce cultural norms of equality into society.
Maybe. I just know that I will never, ever apply a term like feminist to myself, that has such a disgusting stench and has been steeped in hypocrisy for more than a century.
I'd rather cut my tongue out.
@Undead Mockingbird I know what youre saying, and many who disagree with feminism as it is would argue that its just not the right kind of feminsim
The right kind of feminism does not exist.
Will women ever give their lives to defend their countries?
Our biology is not conducive to that.
As a concept, and an idea it certainly does
Personally, I don't know why you'd advocate for equality for a group that is objectively inferior.
As long as we are humans, we will be sexually dimorphic.
What's next, infant suffrage?
They are inferior only physically not in other aspects
Do this test:
If we really believed in equality, we would not separate sports by gender.
If you really believed in meritocracy, and can tell me with a straight face that you are committed to it, then everything would be meritocratic.
Why segregate boxing if it was all about merit and genders are equal?
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