Newspeak

whilst the word Liberal means freedom

Leftist?

Too many leftists consider themselves liberal.

yes

I mean like Antifa becoming fascists even though their name implies opposing them

but thats like saying freedom of speech in Europe

its only free if you say what the people in charge agrees with

More like “the right to not be offended”.

Yeah.

I mean, one thing I noticed was how European laws seem to be written with the naive idea that people will not exploit laws with vague or subjective descriptions.

something people forget is that somehow these people who have the right to not be offended, can still offend others

Making use of hate speech laws to make something illegal to criticise

well the naivety comes from this illusion that the west is the epicenter of "the good guys"

and since the governments in europe are "the good guys" they'll be good and wise enough to supposedly "not" exploit these vague definitions of laws

and since they're the good guys that care for everyone good, the only people that can disagree (or criticise) are bad people, since good people would love that they care for everyone, hence only people who criticise are bad, hence should be punished cuz they're bad

I mean, Id like to know how long these laws were in place.

And which countries dont have these laws.

about the same time ago as when it became appearant to a bigger and growing group of people that the great establishment no longer has the naitive peoples interests in mind

In the US, I dont see anyone getting arrested for sperging out an opinion.

Poland doesn't have that yet

at least as far as i know

Hmm, I wonder

The US... Would you say it has the closest to the truest definition of FoS?

Probably

Thing is, whatmakes having it true is kinda subjective

Like what, FoS in the US means the govt cant stop you

well theres a youtube clip of Poland police charging and beating up an antifa group, and they reject those syrian refugees, so they're atleast not part of this clique of governments with anti-criticism laws

How about private institutions like say, social media

Then it’s not so free.

That’s market freedom but without enough anti-trust laws.

Well, it's funny that the common defense is "well, social media companies are private corporations, so they can kick off whoever they want", yet when it comes to baking a cake, suddenly that's discrimination and wrong.

Rules for thee and not for me.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Pun intended.

only when a christian baker does it

Muslim bakers get no issue from the media

Well, it was just virtue signalling

Oh yeah, that'd be racist and harassment.

something people can protest against with no cost to one self

exactly

Im sure theres a better way to go about looking into the social aspects of it.

Hell, even Milo found the whole thing silly and went into the background of the whole thing. He really does not like the Gay community.

no one does

I think everyone should have to follow FoS laws not just the government. It would be very beneficial to the country.

I mean, the only reason the Christian Bakery lost that court case is because they Doxxed the gay couple.

They did?

They launched a full scale harassment campaign against them

That changes everything

Evidence?

well then its not about FoS anymore

if its true

I didn't hear about that.

Dunno, Ill reserve judgement until I see it

Did they actually do it, or were they getting harassed the same way "Jordan Peterson sent harassers" after the debate?

Cause I never heard about that at all

but the thing is, FoS laws should apply to the government only in theory

the government has to keep the peace (which would protect people from being mobbed) and stuff like doxxing etc is illegal already, so the law (in theory) should protect it too.

FoS doesn't mean i have to like what you say, it means you have a right to say it.
if a person is behaving like a jerk using their FoS, i have every right to disassociate myself from them

thats how its supposed to work

Free market of ideas.

exactly

Yeah, but what happens when private corporations all decide they no longer want to service you?

You make new services.

well due to the dependency of the internet, i would like to see some reforms to certain platforms

but in theory it would basically be like the 2nd episode of futurama

"Oh i'm not allowed here? well i'll start my own service, with blackjack and hookers"

It’s important that monopolies are broken up though.

yes, to encourage competition

but the problem with internet companies is that its instant global

in the past you could just move and start your own service somewhere else, and gain trackion amongst the local people (cuz your competitor hasn't settled there yet) and you could thrive, grow and compete

You can't for example compete with twitter easily cuz on the internet they're everywhere already so they're in a dominant position, their stupid policies drive people away though and those can be picked up as clients for places like Gab, but the majority will still stick to twitter, meaning gab's growth is severely staggered

same with youtube and competitors

and the only way to compete properly is to offer something similar they don't have yet, which is hard too online since everyone can just copy it too

Part of the problem is most people don’t care about politics and their rights.

So many still use the platforms and don’t make a fuss.

well, they don't care until it affects them personally

Well yeah.

Yeah.

I'm in that boat too, i got dragged into this political sphere due to the Gamergate incident

and i hate it, it consumes my time because i have to stay up to date to make sure people don't start using the government to infringe on my leisure time

Same.

I just wanted to be left the fuck alone.

Now I feel the urge to redpill the fuck out of any normie I meet

Same thing.

Personally I love politics.

Would never get into politics but I like discussing it.

The Gamergate incident dragged me into politics, along with this latest election cycle with Trump.

Well, I just didnt like being lied to in general. I hate it when I found out how much the media lies.

Well, wasnt the lying, just how blatant they were.

Also, GG

A few friends Redpilled me

Remember to take the suppliment first,

I wouldn't even care for the lies, i'm smart enough to see through most of it, what drew the line for me was the point where games that you have to strangle, shoot, club, murder, butcher, annihilate, kill etc were branded sexist because some people found they had women who could be killed (thus anti-wamyn) or they were sexist for not including enough women who were perfect but not perfect

It started with Tumblr. Me and my fiancee thought it was just an isolated part of the internet that we could occasionally laugh at.

Eventually we discovered that it's everywhere, coming straight out of college campuses.

Well I was looking at it from the game dev perspective

if killing women is sexist, how about not having them?

well tahts my point

if you exclude them, you're also wrong because you're not "inclusive" enough

THen what? Make them invincible or perfect? Thats not good writing

so its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" case

I know.

Basically I decided fuck the haters, I put in what I want,

invincible/perfect characters are so boring

I love creators that dont give a shit

It’s also why Star Wars is so shitty now. Could call it moviegate.

Like Yoko Taro