and the reason people lose their minds is that one side claims its genetics, clearly, and other side says its environment, and the people who do the tests go "....well its one of those, or both of those.... or maybe none of those.... fuck if we know, it just is what it is."

it's both

why is there even a debate

the debate is the ratio

aidanwr yes you can, not as reliable as otherwise, but u can still draw relations

and from what I can tell

it seems like it leans towards genetic

Citation needed

IQ is 90% genetic

idk if it's 90% genetic

And yet

but it's definitely more genetic than environmental

We share a genetic root

even if a person doesnt unfold the full potential they still have a high IQ

Explain this bullshit

we share a genetic root with everything on the planet

look fellas, lets compromise,

Its genetic due to long term environmental differences

No, without an experiment it actually isn't possible to establish a direct cause and effect relationship between two variables
Reliability isn't the issue
It's literally not a valid statistical claim

I didnt say direct cause

I said u can establish a relation that is very likely to be true

because the only way to know is to take people from all over the earth, and make them give birth to a lot of twins. Then one twin becomes the control, the other is the experiment. and we test all kinds of different things. robots are their parents until they are 25. and now we have a bunch of humans, who have never really had to deal with reality, we now need to deal with.

sounds good to me

I siad cause in the thing you were responding to
You can obviously draw associations from observation
Sorry for the misunderstanding there

@AwesomeGuy42 you volunteer to be one of those twins?

if we could somehow find a way to make that sort of research viable we should totally do it

they already did experiments where they test the IQ of hundreds of young kids, and then decades later the high IQ ones are succesful and the others are not

I mean, if it would benefit mankind as a whole

or

Take an african family, and supply them with the means to survive in a developed country

And see if within a few generations, the children achieve the same average results as the naitive children

and people would treat the evidence as fact

then yes

I would

the greater good argument?

y

the greater good

Jayred are you kidding me

that is welfare

and it didntwork

xD

^

^^^

fine i'll elaborate
Give them a job, and the children some proper schooling

how about dont give them anything at all

just let them thrive if they are capable

because random african family is not gonna survive if you just throw them in the center of manhattan

Ah like most immigrants had when they arrived here

those people aren't like us

they aren't like us?

as in they aren't smart? 🤔

not socially

Africans? Smart?

What two comparisons you think started this whole race IQ debate?

the ones that are capable will thrive very quickly

they will adapt overnight

>search for greater good hot fuzz gif on duck duck go
>safe search: strict
>still in the top results a chick apparently masturbating

duckduckgo knows what the greater good is.

Heres the thing

dozens of generations of poor education and backwards level of development, have rendered the majority of Africans below the rest of the world in IQ

thats what causes that race IQ correlation in the first place

wtf i love duckduckgo now

and thats not white people's fault

so if you'd take a random "average" african family, and put them in anytown america

they wouldn't survive

they'd die

just let them be in Africa

ugh

why would u put them in america in the first place

can't tell if trolling

White Man's Burden 2: Sorry for fucking up your country boogaloo

All I'm saying is, why isnt it the Africans that conquered Europe and the white people that were the slaves?

i said, that if you wanna solve the race IQ thing

Take a family from the category that scores lowest (Africans) and have them ride alongside the supposed okay group

and see if within a few generations

they catch up

if they do, its environmental

if they keep lagging behind

its race

problem solved

I dont wanna solve the IQ thing

seems backwards to me

to try to solve it

don't even take a kid from Africa, we have plenty of low IQ rednecks we should probably take children from.

oof

use those kids as the experiment

Not a fan of taking kids from parents, even if they have shitty IQ

well thats my reason for not believing its race related Grenade :P

The fact that many of the same race are absolutely retarded aswell

how bout castrating the parents

lolol

you joke

but that might actually work

if we could do conclusive testing

🤔

there are people who have seriously seggusted that

because that hopes IQ really is genetic, and not environmental.

well IQ is definitely partially genetic

one of my friends wants everyone below a certain IQ to be castrated

so we can just cut out the genetic factor altogether

you might end up just killing off your population treating a symptom.

What if I told you the DNA is smarter than all of us and it makes idiots have genious children and genious parents have idiotic children

Its genetic due to environment

1000 years of no progress is gonna leave its mark on the development compared to the top of the world

I still think it's funny how you're arguing like high IQ is inherently better

but it is

it is inherently better

It isn't

my octacore CPU is better than ur dual core

IQ = Intelligence quotient