when does his actions as a private citizen then suddenly cross the line?

Define silence?

Because when you put it that way, that sounds like hiring a hitman.

which is illegal anyway.

no, prevent from speaking

now allow them into a place "open to the public"

lets say some other place that is designated a public forum

That's a poor point.

Like forcfully holding them?

If Trump has a state of the union address

He actually DOES have a security force

that stops people from coming up and using the podium for a rebuttal.

law and the constitution dictates that the government cannot prevent people from going to an open public form

HOWEVER, it is absolutely legal for them to voice and publish their rebuttal

THAT is protected by the First Amendment.

Speaking of

Musk is doing a poll on twitter

You guys got twitter?

Only way to see Trump's tweets in context so yeah.

Twitter blocked me from following anybody 4 days ago

fml

Go vote on musks poll I guess

They tried to force me to give them my phone# when I signed up

Oh I had to give my phone twice

and after that they made my twitter unusable for no reason

probably because I follow conservatives

It makes absolutely zero sense that a particular twitter account can be an open public forum

that is courted off by a private forum

That is to say

If you're in this space over here, you're good

Thing is, the whole thing sounds petty

but you can't GET to this space if we don't want you to.

@RyeNorth
`A public forum is a place that has, by tradition or practice, been held out for general use by the public for speech-related purposes.

To determine which of the standards of student expression applies in a given case, many courts first conduct a "public forum analysis." The public forum analysis determines whether individuals may have access to places for communicative purposes.1

There are three types of public forums:

I. A "traditional", or "open, public forum" is a place with a long tradition of freedom of expression, such as a public park or a street corner. The government can normally impose only content-neutral time, place, and manner restrictions on speech in a public forum. Restrictions on speech in a public forum that are based on content will be struck down, unless the government can show the restriction is necessary to further a compelling governmental interest.`

if trump is not the president, in terms of the government position, at all times. Then what is stopping him from prevent people going to an open public form? so long as its done as Trump and with his own resources, not those of the government or in official government capacity

You need to post the other two, Twitter is not a traditional public forum.

The twitter thing is complete nonsense

Twitter has traditionally been censorious.

someone got salty af that Trump blocked them

thats all there is to it

^ ^ ^

Pretty much.

They were making money off of their promotion from countertweeting trump

Bess Kalb, All the way down.

I doubt it was so much “salt” as much as they saw it personally advantageous for their Brand

As an aspiring twitter journo

@RyeNorth i am not talking about twitter atm, but to your point that Trump is not representative of the government or wield government power at all time. I'm asking when does his actions cross the line from private citizen to government official?

Twitter is id; expect nonsense

and yes, its clear someone was salty

There is @POTUS and then there is Trump's personal twitter accoutn

I mean the line of him not being government seemed liek a personal opinion. He is always government until he leaves office.

When he executes government-issued power.

When he signs a bill into law

when he drafts and signs an executive order

it takes neither of these to block someone on twitter

Twitter blocking is a privilege to all

okay, so he can block people from entering an open public form, so long as its done with his own private resources, not the government/

You're basing this around the argument that his twitter is an open public forum.

You have yet to establish this, other than pointing at an activist ruling.

Twitter is not a public forum

twitter is a private company

twitter can delete Trump account, or block ppl on his behalf

@Ivanfr this ruling doesn't do anything to change that. it only dictates what the government can do, not twitter

they can do anything they want

Donald Trump's twitter is not the government.

This is your statement, and i am asking at what point does his private actions cross a line and become government actions because of their nature or intent

Twitter can sell the company to China

xD

Your argument HINGES on proving that Twitter is an open public forum.

and your counter argument hinges on trump not always being president while in office

so, can trump order a private security firm, with his own money, to block people from going to a public forum.

not necessarily twitter

just any open public forum

You just conceded that my argument DOESN'T hinge on that.

Besides

Question: Does free speech require being able to tie your speech as a response to the tweet you are tweeting about in this case?

^ ^ ^ ^ bingo.

why do you keep dodging?

@Grenade123 I dont think even the secret service can block u from being on an open forum

unless they arrest u

No one can legally unless you pose a threat.

the secret service could not legally do it. But a private security contractor might, depending on where the open forum actually is.

He isn't blocking people from going to twitter though

@Grenade123 then u can take legal action against them

or just refuse

and maybe they will assault you

but then u sue them

can you? like i said, it depends on where the open forum is. It could be hosted on private land that just usually lets people speak their mind. but perhaps you get banned from the premise. If its not the government banning you, but the people who own it, then you have no legal case of being allowed on the premises

then its not a public forum

Then its not an open public forum

"A "traditional", or "open, public forum" is a place with a long tradition of freedom of expression, such as a public park or a street corner. The government can normally impose only content-neutral time, place, and manner restrictions on speech in a public forum. Restrictions on speech in a public forum that are based on content will be struck down, unless the government can show the restriction is necessary to further a compelling governmental interest."

no where in there does it say it has to be public land to count as a public forum.

a private college campus comes to mind

Bad example lol

How is a Twitter Account a place with a 'long tradition of freedom of expression'?

obviously private land is not a open public forum

I can ban anyone from my house

@Ivanfr tell me where, in that definition of an open public forum, it says it has to be public property?

in the word "public"

which is the opposite of "privaet"

"A public forum is a place that has, by tradition or practice, been held out for general **use** by the public **for speech-related purposes.**"

it doesn't have to be public land.

"To determine which of the standards of student expression applies in a given case, many courts first conduct a "public forum analysis." The public forum analysis determines whether individuals may have access to places for communicative purposes."

if it was, then why would an analysis be necessary?