Story of a lot of factory towns

What the local mayorship is doing aint helping much. Last I heard, they wanted to ban bulletproof glass.

Heck, similar story to what happened to bridgeport here.

hence the name for the region, The Rust Belt

Wonder if Camden NJ had a similar story or.if it was just always a dangerous place.

kinda simular, except less industry

more on the side of rapid urbanization

Same thing is happening to coal towns now

*has been*

Has been happening to mining town for all of history really

since the end of the second world war

Mine runs out, everyone peaces

But coal is more the market dries up

How bout the coal mining jobs coming back? I thought that was one of the things Trump wanted to fix?

It is.

`woo coal industry`

Will help for a bit but it's probably temporary until the next ban happens.

He declared global warming fake news and took a victory on that promise I think

"I have pulled out of the Paris Accords, I have saved the coal industry. Job down."

"now if only I had pulled out of Paris Accord...."

Well, the Paris Accord was definately not helping against GW.

And the US was actually putting more of an effort into it more than other countries were.

And who was keeping track?

Of all the money?

largest alterinative energy producer

Or if the countries were actually using them for their intended purposes? Do we just take their word for it?

I don't really care about them tbh, and GW alarmist hurt it worst than denyists I think.

With coal it's not just about global warming, coal power plants produce a shitload of toxic byproducts

Like, making sure some of the money didn't just... disappear?

Coal just in general has been on the way out for a while

We need more nuclear plants.

oil is heading that way too

People not happy with regulation around it? Or that people can get it cheaper overseas?

Like what caused the US coal mines to shut down in the first place?

@CreativeRealms if they were more commercially viable we would be building them

And well, if they had some low risk areas to construct them

They are powerful yes, but one mistake can screw over alot

When oil prices slowly increase they would be more appealing to investors

Not that we dont trust Nuclear, more like we dont trust people to keep it in check

Not to mention that it can be used for war as well

Nuclear reactors in the US are very safe

wind and solar are easy to setup, easy to invest in. nuke power is always on the table too

Yeah they are really safe.

That's part of their cost though

expensive to run

Less pollution though.

@ping Nuclear reactors anywhere are very safe. The only major nuclear accidents in history were flukes or design flaws that have been fixed in newer plants

That said, the second biggest disaster since cernnobyle resulted in no deaths related to radiation. At least that was the numbers of few months ago

You could argue birth defects

Some will argue that the damage to the environment is more important

pfft the environment.

It probably killed people, just not from radiation poisoning

THing is, they can claim everything on radiation as well

like random people getting birth defects. How do we know if its related to radiation

@ping The problem that caused Chernobyl was a design flaw that had already been fixed in reactors 10 years younger than it, and Fukushima's problem was the backup generators being flooded because the tsunami was larger than any recorded

But dont get me wrong, Id love nuclear power.

I'm relatively sure the problem that caused Three Mile Island was also a design flaw that had already been fixed in newer plants

And even then it still worked pretty well

But I gotta respect the wishes of those who dont

Even i am an outlier when it comes to how I think here

Solar/wind is still too new. Needs to be improved more.

People are afraid of nuclear power because they think nukes and hear scary works like radiation

Yeah.

Did you even watch the transformers movie??? It blew up because they were trying to harness power from an alien reactor core

kek

Oh shit I never heard about that, ping! 😮

Then there is the problem of waste which the US really hasn't fixed yet

DHMO lol

@Grenade123 > People are afraid of nuclear power because the EPA and the media tells them to be afraid of it despite not knowing shit about it.

@CreativeRealms both are mature tbh

Pretty mucb

Still, can we trust the media when they do a 180 on it?

Wind is pretty gimmicky

Who would we trust to tell us that it is safe

The waste issue was fixed, but Carter (I think) outlawed Breeder reactors in the U.S. because at some point the fuel is weapons-grade

Wind is alright, though people keep going on about 'da birbs doe.'

I guess birds kept running into the turbines or something?

Wind costs way too much

Wind and solar are both affected by the weather, as well

Was it fixed? What are they currently doing with it? Besides leaving it somewhere and not checking on it

Even less of a long term investment than nuclear

No matter how good your power grid is there will always be dead spots with nothing but solar/wind power

alternative power is getting cheaper as tech progresses

Not to mention solar panels rarely (if ever) actually pay for themselves on a consumer scale

Everyone go geothermal

Wut

Lmao

*hydro power?*

I remember that discussion about electric cars......

Like I said, where does the power come from? Coal mines.

@Revan got a source on that? People that have been using solar for 5+ years say theyve payed themselves off

You get less efficient vehicles which still get their power from "unclean" sources

Let's tape into those natural corrosive, high pressure, toxic vents! This is safe.

@ping No, I don't have a source, but the people whose panels have payed for themselves most likely live in very sunny areas that rarely have clouds

@GingaBomber Not to mention mining the materials for the batteries

And that

Like fuck man, apple gets their metals from third world countries

Electric cars are slightly better even with that factored in but the subsities make it not worthwhile.

So does every other major place building things tbh

@GingaBomber large power plants are several times more efficient than car engines