Anyway, Trump a better make a good decision on this, because this kind of thing can swing a reelection
Don't take away people's drugs

lol

i dont think trump is going to get 2020

neither do I tbh

depends on the democrats

I do not think the Republicans will be able to secure 2018 either

the dems are in shambles too tho

I'm reading a lot of speculation that the repeal of the Cole Memo may push Congress to fully legalize marijuana

maybe its all over

new parties?

Perhaps

the Media, although reknownly known as fake, has been nothing but negative

Lol new parties never work

I think it's all about the media and how they deal with it.

Maybe a real libertarian party instead of the pussies we have

Anyone up for starting the Timcast party? 😋

judging by the way the democrats have been going, they are going to get thrashed in 2018

There's too much money and vested interest in keeping the two party system in place

New Parties will never survive

they haven't learned anything from 2016

because if they do what they did for 2016 trump will hold 2020.

We can have Tim as our leader

lol

Both are getting a little too confident

The best and only real time for new parties would've been the 2016 election

i dont want to be in charge of anything

Lack of a proper opponent caused them to lower their guards

<:ancap:294617629321199618> anarcho-capitalist party when

They got fat.

@Timcast What if we democratically elect you as our leader?

Now people are so distraught over everything, that if a centrist party came out, both sides would attempt to destroy it

neither does sargon but he is writing a manifesto lol

Cant force someone apparently

Well, good luck however. We will be watching

thb I don't think he's getting 2020 either, but I think he has "served" an important purpose; he's made both political parties question everything and re-evaluate themselves. He mad the dems realize they don't have a base they can abuse continuously, the reps release their "youth vote" doesn't see eye-to-eye with their stuck in the mud attitude.

where's my anarcho-nationalist people's socialist republics party of greater utah?

Who knows really? It was only around a year ago people said he had no chance.

Things can change drastically in a while.

Or maybe people got too confident there.

@Porcelain chips I'm not sure the Democrat or Republican parties as a whole are self-aware enough to realize that

none of it really matters because either way the US is regressing towards Plato's republic

@Porcelain chips Look at Democrats, everything they're doing currently points to them just waiting out Trump so they can get back to their agendas first in 2018 by repealing everything, and 2020 by "taking back" the Presidency

that's all they want

Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii is DNC but seems reasonable. What about her as Presidential Candidate?

Just to go back to their agendas

or is she not in the suitpants-afficionado circle?

Isnt it a narrative that theres a significant portion of people who are neither. Like the people who went Obama -> Bernie -> Trump?

And didnt vote Johnson cause wasted vote

@GingaBomber I was one of those

Down to the T?

Yep

Tulsi Gabbard won't get the support from the party, they will go for someone like Andrew Cuomo instead

Huh... Okay then

Didnt expect that to be an answer

Just because it's a "narrative" doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth to it

Well, I kinda made it up from memory. I mean I have seen people admit that

well, a shame that good people cant get up by their own merits anymore 😉

Most just wanted change

And well, people like those 3 being candidates were a symtom, people wanted to be back in control

Rock the boat as people say

Honestly, I think what we need before another alternative party (because technically, the Libertarians *are* an alternative) is term limits and age limits for all political offices

Hillary really alienated me from the dems. I've always voted blue but then I got a letter a few weeks before the election; it was her "thanking" me for my support. I am on disability and have never donated to the party. My father and other family members have. They never got a thank you letter. I did. I am the only woman in the family; the ones who donated and supported her were hard-working men; this really broke me and made me distance myself from her entirely.

Pics of the letter with names blacked out?

Or not actually, I might be able to google it

so you saw this as pandering to you as part of a special interest group? well, thats pretty corporate huh

bad style

Or they didnt think she would have noticed

@GingaBomber I'll have to go find it. It's a generic letter but the rest of my family never recieved one.

Ah thanks anyway.

Do DM it to me, in case of all the comments flood it out

If you okay

Okay.

Should clarify that I aint american, but I found the politics there fascinating

I'm a gay guy, and I voted for Trump because of numerous reasons, but what made me interested in politics in general was first #Gamergate, and second was in political conversations, people would speak on my behalf/imply that I was "obviously" a democrat because I was gay

Really pissed me off

I'm of the opinion that, with the exception of tyrannical parties, the outcome of elections is mostly irrelevant, increasingly so as time goes on. What really matters is the ideas and morals of the society. This is what really shapes the fate of a country.

And well... Kinda rooted for them the whole way, cause if it aint the US being No1 in military, it will be either Russia or China

And I dont trust either. So well, lesser evils and all that

Well, it always boils down to the people really.

Culture?

culture comes from principles

Fascinating actually, GG isnt something I see discussed outside KIA in a possitive light

I mean, i kinda got jaded with the media after that

@WOODY I disagree, policies are vastly more important, it is the morality of wanting to help others that has led us directly into this finacial crisis which our generation will be paying off for our entire lives, as well as our children's lives.

Found Pool after that. Well, went after alternative news

I mean, man... The journey.

@GingaBomber You find American politics interesting? I prefer satire based on American politics:

The Ephebians believed that every man should have the vote. Every five years someone was elected to be Tyrant, provided he could prove that he was honest, intelligent, sensible, and trustworthy. Immediately after he was elected, of course, it was obvious to everyone that he was a criminal madman and totally out of touch with the view of the ordinary philosopher in the streets looking for a towel. And then five years later they elected another one just like him, and really it was amazing how intelligent people kept on making the same mistakes.

- Terry Pratchett, *Small Gods*

I think American politics is so dynamic because of sort of the frontier history; it's a young country that has had to give the middle finger and fight a lot. It had to go from 3rd world to first world in 200 years. In the late 1800s half of the country was still living in a way that is comparible now to a lot of developing countries, while the other half was 1st world and both ends were trying to create enough infelstructure to have everything even across the board.

Oh god, I need more clips, cause that ones so true

Well, does not help that the people we want in politics dont want to be in it

You get the power hungry and the greedy, since they are the ones with the initiative to run for it

@Deleted User are you suggesting that the only moral choices are to help others? I recently read Atlas Shrugged, and the objectivists would argue that altruism is actually immoral.

And well, people dont like to be forced into a duty they did not wish for

@WOODY I would say that helping others in of itself is a virtuous thing to do that lines up with Western Values, but Democrats and the left has taken it to an extreme, slowly and progressively in the last 50 years

What if say it was a difference in empathy then?

Or to whom the altruism was directed against?

Like the Repubs being American citizens, especially the vets and the homeless, while to the Dems, minorities

@Deleted User I would agree that it aligns with Western values, but disagree that it is virtuous to sacrifice your own values and happiness for others. The democrats are merely taking this principle towards it's logical conclusion. Just as the Socialists in Russia did.

Oh god, @Timcast We need a discussion channel

please